I had never seen so much of perverted Narayanasamy at 98. Probably he proves my professional title.
On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 at 00:04, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear folks > > Amid the truckload of garbage that Rajaram Krishnamurthy has delivered to > this website, one sentence stands out starkly:- > > "*Gandhi felt free to conduct his private “fast unto death” even as the > rest of India starved.*" > > This is not dissimilar to Gandhi's other political ploy -- to travel Third > Class on Indian trains. > > And a third political ploy -- to call himself a dalit, to found a paper > named "Harijan", and to shun even his own varna-mates: the shoodrans. > > Did not the reputed popular Indian weekly "India Today" publish a couple > of years ago an eye-witness account of how Gandhi the Great Mahaathma, in > his very late years, used to sleep naked with very young naked girls such > as his own great-niece, bathe them after they unclothed themselves, and ask > them to bathe him unclothed? He called this a great yoga-siddhantham to > prove that he is above the temptations of sex ! > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 12:33 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> CULTURAL QA 020243 >> >> Q4 Why do Japanese and Koreans sleep on the floor? >> >> G My note- Why Korea and Japan, in India also, in many homes still >> sleeping on the floor on rolling beds or mats is common. >> >> Darba sayanam: तस्य रामस्य सुप्तस्य कुश आस्तीर्णे मही तले | >> >> नियमाद् अप्रमत्तस्य निशास् तिस्रो अतिचक्रमुः || ६-२१-१० >> >> 10. niyamaat = following the scriptural injunction; tasya = that; >> raamasya = Rama; apramattasya = who was attentive; suptasya = while >> sleeping; mahiitale = on the ground; kushaastiirNe = spread with Kusha >> grass; atichakramuH = surpassed a time; tisraH = of three; nishaaH = nights. >> >> Following the scriptural injunction, that Rama who was devoted to his >> sacred vow, while sleeping on the ground spread with Kusha grass, spent a >> time of three nights there. >> >> स त्रिरात्रोषितस्तत्र नयज्ञो धर्मवत्सलः | >> >> उपासत तदा रामः सागरम् सरिताम् पतिम् || ६-२१-११ >> >> 11. tadaa = then; raamaH = Rama; nayajN^aH = who was skilled in policy; >> dharmavatsalaH = and fond of piety; triraatroshhitaH = remaining for three >> nights ;tatra = there; upaasata = waiting upon; saagaram = the ocean; >> sritaam patim = the Lord of rivers. >> >> Remaining there for three nights, Rama who was skilled in policy and fond >> of piety, waited upon the ocean, the lord of rivers.\ >> >> Sleeping on the floor is so aged as can be seen from Valmiki Ramayanam >> KR IRS 3224 >> >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> >> Q5 Which single person caused the greatest damage to India or Indian >> society? How? >> >> KR Hegde and Mr G adding wool over the eyes? >> >> “Why hasn’t Gandhi died yet?” Another Remark Churchill Never Said >> >> By RICHARD M. LANGWORTH| July 16, 2022 >> >> Gandhi >> >> Sir Stafford Cripps with Mohandas Gandhi at Birla House, Delhi, during >> his mission to India, April 1942. Cripps tried but failed to negotiate >> Congress Party support for the war effort with the promise of Dominion >> status afterward. Birla House, now Gandhi Smriti (a museum), was the >> residence of Gandhi’s friend Ghanshyam Das Birla, who conveyed friendly >> exchanges between Churchill and Gandhi in 1935 (see bit.ly/3Ku6Qcf). >> Gandhi spent his last days there before being assassinated in January 1948. >> (Imperial War Museum, public domain) >> >> For many years Churchill’s view of India has been distorted, quoted out >> of context or based on hearsay. The Prime Minister’s attitude toward >> Mohandas Gandhi is part of this demonology. Now Hira Jungkow, an Indian >> student at the London School of Economics, has blown away another lie—one >> of the more despicable. It is that Churchill wished Gandhi dead as a >> casualty of the 1943 Bengal Famine. Gandhi certainly raised Churchill’s >> hackles on many documented occasions. But wishing he would starve to death >> is not in the record. >> >> In a 2021 interview with Andrew Roberts, one of Churchill’s foremost >> defenders, The New Yorker raised this old myth: “It is just striking to >> read about Churchill being alerted to the massive number of deaths of >> Indians in territory that his government ruled, and asking questions like >> why Gandhi hadn’t died—which he hoped for—if things were so bad.”1 (The bad >> things were food shortages and famine in Bengal.) >> >> Research however indicates Churchill didn’t say that, and what he did say >> was not in context of the Bengal Famine. After reading the New Yorker >> interview, Mr. Jungkow did the research and published his findings, which >> are summarized and amplified below. Why didn’t The New Yorker? >> >> “Why Gandhi hadn’t died yet” >> >> In September 1943 Churchill appointed Field Marshal Archibald Wavell >> Viceroy of India. Arthur Herman noted the irony: Churchill, long blamed for >> ignoring it, had appointed the very man “who would halt the famine in its >> tracks.”2 >> >> Wavell’s and Churchill’s actions to ease the famine are explained >> elsewhere. (See links in endnotes 2 and 10.) We focus here only on the >> specific misrepresentation of Churchill in two frequently quoted books.3 >> Both cite Wavell’s diary from July 1944: “Winston sent me a peevish >> telegram to ask why Gandhi hadn’t died yet! He has never answered my >> telegram about food.” >> >> Wavell did write this,4 but it was not a quote—and fairly peevish itself. >> Why don’t the critics publish what Churchill actually said? Here it is: >> >> Surely Mr. Gandhi has made a most remarkable recovery, as he is already >> able to take an active part in politics. How does this square with the >> medical reports upon which his release on grounds of ill-health was agreed >> to by us? In one of these we were told that he would not be able to take >> any part in politics again.5 >> >> Wavell replied that Gandhi had been released from detention because it >> was thought he was near death, but it “can hardly be said to have resumed >> an active part in politics yet.” Wavell added: “His release has not >> worsened [the] situation on the whole and I am clear it was right and >> justified.”6 Churchill did not contest this, and the correspondence ended. >> >> “He has never answered my telegram about food” >> >> Mr. Jungkow did not investigate Wavell’s complaint that Churchill hadn’t >> answered him about food, but that has a qualification too. Published >> documents reveal that Wavell’s requests for food mainly went to Leo Amery, >> Secretary of State for India.7 It is odd that Amery, often described as >> India’s sympathizer, is never cited for what he did to ease the Famine. >> Which as it turns out, was a lot less than Churchill and Wavell. And >> Amery’s diaries, so often used to manufacture nasty Churchill quotes about >> Indians, are laced with racial pejoratives that Churchill never used.8 >> >> This misrepresentation is peculiar in its timing: July 1944, when the >> Famine was easing. In January Bengal received 130,000 tons of Iraqi barley, >> 80,000 tons of Australian wheat (with 100,000 more to come), 10,000 from >> Canada. Wavell wanted more, so on 14 February, Churchill called an >> emergency meeting of the War Cabinet. Could they find more grain without >> wrecking plans for D-Day? In April, Churchill declared that “his sympathy >> was great for the sufferings of the people of India.”9 The War Cabinet >> referred him to Roosevelt. >> >> Churchill duly expressed “serious concern” to FDR, saying Australia had a >> million tons but he lacked the shipping. Could America help? No, said the >> President, U.S. shipping was stretched thin for D-Day and the Pacific. >> Churchill kept at it, wrote Zareer Masani. “By the end of 1944 Wavell’s >> much-requested one million additional tons had been secured from Australia >> and the allied South East Asia Command…”10 Churchill’s actual words to >> Wavell referred to Gandhi’s “fasts to death,” not the Famine. >> >> Lots of blame to go round >> >> Another prominent figure never questioned for ignoring the famine is >> Gandhi himself. “For all his reputation as a humanitarian,” wrote Arthur >> Herman, >> >> Gandhi did remarkably little about the emergency. The issue barely comes >> up in his letters, except as another grievance against the Raj. Yet in >> peacetime throughout the 20th century, the Raj always handled famines with >> efficiency. In February 1944 Gandhi wrote to Wavell: “I know that millions >> outside are starving for want of food. But I should feel utterly helpless >> if I went out and missed the food [i.e. independence] by which alone living >> becomes worthwhile.” Gandhi felt free to conduct his private “fast unto >> death” even as the rest of India starved.11 >> >> Leo Amery, however little he’d done to help, was still offering advice as >> the famine ended. Acknowledging “His Majesty’s Government’s help over food >> grains,” he advised Churchill: “…you may say that you cried wolf >> unnecessarily to [Roosevelt], and you may wish to send him a personal >> telegram explaining that the additional 200,000 tons has only been found by >> a drastic cutting down of our military maintenance provision….” >> >> Churchill wrote on Amery’s original: “I do not propose to send a personal >> telegram on this. Will you be so kind as to explain the matter to the State >> Department, quoting my personal [appeal] to the President as the key?”12 It >> would appear that Amery, like Wavell, expected the Prime Minister to attend >> every detail of the famine problem personally. >> >> Endnotes >> >> 1 Isaac Chotiner, “Q&A: Why Andrew Roberts Wants Us to Reconsider King >> George III,” in The New Yorker, 9 November 2021, accessed 7 April 2022. >> >> 2 Arthur Herman, “Absent Churchill, the Bengal Famine Would Have Been >> Worse,” Hillsdale College Churchill Project. 2017, accessed 5 April 2022. >> Churchill’s first directive to Wavell placed famine relief as second only >> to the war effort. The reference is CHAQ 2/3/66/6-7. Madelin Evans of the >> Churchill Archives Centre writes that the document is still being >> digitaized for online purposes, but the catalogue entry reads: >> >> Printed War Cabinet Paper, note by the Prime Minister and Minister of >> Defence [WSC] on “India” (9 Oct) with a copy of a “Directive to the Viceroy >> Designate” [Lord Wavell] by WSC (8 Oct). Subjects of the directive include >> the need for India to be a “safe and fertile base” for the British and >> United States offensive against Japan in 1944; famine in India and the need >> to make every effort to deal with local shortages, stop grain hoarding and >> ensure a fair distribution of food between town and country; the gap >> between rich and poor needing examination; that [Wavell] should make every >> effort to ease tension between Hindus and Muslims and encourage them to >> work together, as a democratic government can not work without equality; >> Wavell’s main aims should be to defend the frontiers of India, appease >> communal differences, rally all sections of society to support the war >> effort, and maintain the best possible standard of living for the largest >> number of people; and the British Government’s commitment to establishing a >> self-governing India as part of the British Empire and Commonwealth of >> Nations [after the war]. >> >> 3 Madhusree Mukerjee, Churchill’s Secret War: The British Empire and the >> Ravaging of India during World War II (New York: Basic Books, 2010), Kindle >> edition, 332. Shashi Tharoor, Inglorious Empire: What the British Did to >> India (Royal Oak, Mich., Scribe Publishing, 2017), 160. See also a video >> panel, “Churchill: Hero or Colonialist,” with Larry P. Arnn, Madhusee >> Mukerjee and Sean McMeekin. >> >> 4 Penderel Moon, ed., Wavell: The Viceroy’s Journal (Oxford University >> Press, 1973), 78. >> >> 5 Martin Gilbert & Larry P. Arnn, eds., The Churchill Documents, vol. 20, >> Normandy and Beyond, May-December 1944 (Hillsdale, Mich.: Hillsdale College >> Press, 2018), 702. >> >> 6 Ibid., 742. >> >> 7 Nicholas Mansergh, Constitutional Relations Between Britain and India: >> The Transfer of Power 1942-47, Volume IV (London: HMSO, 1973), passim, but >> see for example Wavell-Amery communications in 1944, >> https://bit.ly/3KwUQXl, accessed 8 April 2022. >> >> 8 See Richard M. Langworth, “Prime Source: Leo Amery” in “The Truth About >> Churchill’s ‘Racist Epithets,’” Hillsdale College Churchill Project, 2020. >> >> 9 War Cabinet: Conclusions, 24 April 1944, in Martin Gilbert & Larry P. >> Arnn, eds., The Churchill Documents, vol. 19, Fateful Questions, September >> 1943-April 1944 (Hillsdale College Press, 2017), 2554. >> >> 10 Zareer Masani, “Churchill and the Genocide Myth: Last Word on the >> Bengal Famine,” Hillsdale College Churchill Project, 2021, accessed 5 April >> 2021. >> >> 11 Herman, op. cit. Gandhi to Wavell, 17 February 1944, in Ganhiji >> Correspondence With the Government 1942-44 (Ahmedabad: Navajihan >> Publishing, 1945), 289, https://bit.ly/3xayw1Y, accessed 8 April 2022. >> >> II And Churchill is a person who cared to supply only the military >> and gave a speech asking every citizen to shrink; and when leading reported >> asked why you have not allowed , even a loaf of bread, Churchill retorted, >> “Thank God I allowed now at least half” So Churchill and Hitler were born >> to conquer and to nbe conquered. And he was uniform throughout KR >> >> 12 Amery to Churchill, 30 June 1944, in Mansergh, 1059. >> >> Q7 What kind of people will always live life to the fullest? >> >> KR Neither ignorant not the wise can lead the fullest life; ignorant >> does not that he does know, so what is life he is leading is unknown to >> him; a wis knows he has all and can live fully, however, being wise, he has >> to answer all his actions as good and bad and, in such process, might be >> floundering. There is a proverb” Paramanum Paithiyamum eppozhudum >> sirithukkone iruppar; that mean till end within the frame od sanyasi and >> madman they are the happiest. KR IRS 3224 >> >> On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 at 04:46, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> CULTURAL QA 02-2024-3 >>> >>> All the below QA are from Quora DIGEST to me on 03-02-2024. >>> >>> Selected quora answers generally interesting are included .Still they need >>> not be 100% correct answers. >>> >>> Compiled and posted by R. Gopala Krishnan, 80, on 03-02-2024. >>> >>> Q1 Which is the cruel bird in world? >>> >>> A1 Wadiyat Narjis, 9mo >>> >>> The southern cassowary is known as the world's most dangerous bird. >>> >>> Native to the forests of New Guinea and Northern Australia, in >>> captivity the bird displays extreme aggression. >>> >>> Southern cassowaries are known for their striking appearance, with a >>> tall, bony crest on their heads, a bright blue neck and throat, and black >>> feathers covering their bodies. >>> >>> They can grow up to 1.8 meters (6 feet) tall and weigh up to 58 kilograms >>> (128 pounds), making them the second-heaviest bird in the world after >>> the ostrich >>> >>> Q2 What screams "I'm a middle class Indian"? >>> >>> A2 Anshu Bharti, A mother of a six years old boy.7mo"Do you have a >>> yoga mat?" A woman came rushing to the supermarket while I enquired >>> about the same. >>> >>> "Yes, we do. You can check on the second floor." the cashier replied. >>> >>> We both proceeded towards the elevator as our purpose of being there was >>> the same. >>> >>> "Could you please show me a yoga mat?" We both requested the stock >>> assistant in the chorus as soon as we reached the second floor. >>> >>> "Yes, Mam, here are the ones." >>> >>> I felt elated as I didn't have to struggle more early morning. The >>> request for a yoga mat came from my child's school last evening, and I >>> couldn't manage to get it due to my office work. When I dropped him off at >>> school today, I immediately thought of buying it. While I was wondering >>> what color of the mat would impress him, the lady interrupted by asking >>> another question to the assistant. >>> >>> "Don't you have smaller ones? I want to buy one for my child. I am sure >>> the smaller one will cost lesser." She said. >>> >>> "No, Mam. We have only these." >>> >>> I could sense her concerns. However, since she had no choice, she >>> picked up one. And I too. >>> >>> At the cash counter, >>> >>> "Sir, the price is too high. If you had a smaller one, I would have >>> taken that and saved money." She uttered. >>> >>> "Sorry, Mam. But you see, there is a special price written on it. The >>> actual price is 680 Rs, and the special price is just 550 Rs." >>> >>> "Ummm…could you please make it 500 Rs?" She hopelessly demanded. >>> >>> The cashier nodded, and I could see the brightest smile on her face for >>> saving 50 Rs. >>> >>> My note- In Chennai I have not seen any supermarket reducing even a >>> rupee- >>> >>> Q3 What is the funniest military-based joke you know? >>> >>> A3 Jim Cherry, Former Radiologist Updated Dec 8 >>> >>> During inspection of the battalion, the lieutenant comes to a private >>> who forgot to properly shine his shoes. >>> >>> The lieutenant says, “Your shoes look like sh’t.” >>> >>> To which the private replies, “Just a reflection, sir.” >>> >>> Q4 Why do Japanese and Koreans sleep on the floor? >>> >>> A4 Audrey Lewis,Nutrition Enthusiast, Health Advocate Jan 10 >>> >>> Ah, this reminds me of a fascinating conversation I had with a colleague >>> who had lived in both Japan and Korea. She explained that in these >>> cultures, sleeping on the floor isn't just a matter of tradition, but >>> it's also deeply rooted in their lifestyle and philosophy. >>> >>> In Japan, the practice is known as sleeping on a "futon," which is a >>> type of mattress that can be easily rolled up and stored away. This >>> tradition stems from the Japanese concept of space utilization and >>> minimalism. Traditional Japanese homes, known as "tatami" rooms, serve >>> multiple purposes – they could be a living room by day and a bedroom by >>> night. The futon fits perfectly into this versatile way of living. >>> >>> Koreans have a similar practice, known as sleeping on a "yo." Like the >>> Japanese futon, the yo is a thin mattress that can be easily stored. >>> This practice is also influenced by the traditional Korean ondol heating >>> system. The ondol system involves a unique underfloor heating system >>> that makes the floor a cozy and warm place to sleep, especially during cold >>> winters. >>> >>> Both these practices also tie into the broader Asian philosophy that >>> emphasizes simplicity, efficiency, and harmony with the environment. >>> Sleeping close to the ground is seen as a way to stay connected with the >>> earth and maintain a humble and grounded lifestyle. >>> >>> It's not just about tradition, though. Many people in these cultures >>> believe that sleeping on a firm surface is good for posture and back health. >>> While it might seem unusual from a Western perspective, it's a practice >>> that has deep cultural roots and practical benefits. Plus, imagine the ease >>> of never having to worry about a squeaky bed frame! >>> >>> My note- Why Korea and Japan, in India also, in many homes still >>> sleeping on the floor on rolling beds or mats is common. >>> >>> Q5 Which single person caused the greatest damage to India or >>> Indian society? How? >>> >>> TheYashHegde, YouTuber (2013–present)Updated 6y >>> >>> Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill. Many of you may know that, he >>> was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom from 1940 to 1945 (later >>> again from 1951 to 1955). >>> >>> Now I don't like writing long answers, so I'll try to keep it short, the >>> way I like. >>> >>> World war 2 was at it's peak. United kingdom was having a tough time >>> with the resources. India was a British colony back then >>> (Unfortunately).Churchill ordered to divert the essential >>> resources/supplies, from civilians in Bengal to the United Kingdom. >>> >>> The civilians in Bengal had nothing to eat, causing “The Great Bengal >>> Famine”Result? 4 Million people died of starvation. >>> >>> Apparently, when Churchill was informed about this famine. All he had to >>> say was, “Why hasn't Gandhi died yet”. >>> >>> My note- I have read the same was told by Churchil, earlier also, but >>> how it is relating Gandhi is a big question in me. >>> >>> Q6 Who is/was the greatest person in India? >>> >>> A6 Saurabh Jha, Student at Electronics and Communication >>> Engineering (2019–present) 5y >>> >>> He is Dr. H. C VERMA a well known experimental physicist and a retired >>> professor at IIT kanpur. His book Concept of Physics is widely used by >>> students. >>> >>> Now if you go to buy any other authors’ book you will have to pay a good >>> amount of money, but concept of physics by Dr H.C Verma comes at very >>> affordable rate. >>> >>> In an interview a student asked him why he is selling his books at this >>> price he smiled and answered ‘My main motive is to deliver my concepts >>> through this book not to earn money’. >>> >>> Q7 What kind of people will always live life to the fullest? >>> >>> A7 Awdhesh Singh,Author: Pearls of Wisdom from Everyday Life |Ex-IRS| >>> IITian 5y >>> >>> Two types of people live life to the fullest. >>> >>> 1: Ignorant >>> >>> If you are totally ignorant of the happening in the world, you can live >>> life to the fullest. >>> >>> A sheep or a goat live its life to the fullest even when it is taken for >>> slaughtering because it does not know that it is going to die soon. >>> >>> In the same way, if you are ignorant of the consequences of your actions >>> and the laws of the world, you would enjoy your life to the fullest till >>> such time, you are hit by a calamity or die. >>> >>> 2: Wise >>> >>> If you are a wise person, you know the deepest secrets of the world. >>> Hence, you know what is to be done and what is not to be done. You >>> don’t do anything that can bring you suffering and hence you don’t suffer >>> in life. You only perform actions that brings you joy and hence your >>> life is filled with joy and you live fully. >>> >>> My note- I have highlighted the details of the person answered the >>> question. 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