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On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 at 17:49, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: > Mr Rajaram, > > if you are thinking that you have hit the nail on my forehead, *you are > mistaken.* I have posted the QA for the information of group members . A > sub question may have a word *teach*, it never means myself, the compiler > teach. All members with commonsense know it > > Gopalakrishnan > > On Thursday, 7 March, 2024 at 11:20:18 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > CULTURAL QA 03202407 > > Q1 What can I learn in a minute that could save my life someday ? > > KR 1 PM2,5 killers: Dr Tiny nair,it seems like you're > referring to PM2.5, which stands for Particulate Matter 2.5. PM2.5 refers > to tiny particles or droplets in the air that are 2.5 micrometres or > smaller in diameter.These particles can include various pollutants such as > dust, pollen, smoke, and other particles emitted from vehicles, industrial > processes, and natural sources. PM2.5 is particularly concerning because it > can penetrate deep into the lungs and even enter the bloodstream, posing > significant health risks, especially for people with respiratory and > cardiovascular conditions.Monitoring PM2.5 levels is essential for > understanding air quality and its potential impact on public health. > Governments and environmental agencies often measure and report PM2.5 > levels as part of air quality monitoring efforts to help inform the public > and take appropriate actions to mitigate exposure to harmful air pollutants. > > 2 WHAT IS BEING DONE: Addressing PM2.5 pollution requires a > combination > of individual actions and government policies aimed at reducing emissions > and improving air quality. {KR: mere N 95 will not be effective since you > may have to remove it for eating and bathing; and zoom PM2.5 can enter) > > Here are some measures that individuals and governments can adopt: > > Individual Actions: > > Reduce Vehicle Use: opt for public transportation, carpooling, biking, or > walking whenever possible to reduce vehicle emissions. > > Use Cleaner Transportation: Choose vehicles with lower emissions, such as > electric or hybrid cars. > > Energy Efficiency: Conserve energy at home and work by using > energy-efficient appliances, lighting, and heating/cooling systems. > > Limit Wood Burning: Avoid using wood-burning stoves or fireplaces, > especially during high pollution periods. > > Proper Waste Disposal: Reduce, reuse, and recycle to minimize waste, as > burning trash contributes to air pollution. > > Support Clean Energy: Advocate for renewable energy sources and support > policies that promote clean energy production. > > Government Policies: > > Regulate Emissions: Enforce regulations and standards on industrial > emissions, vehicle emissions, and other sources of pollution. > > Promote Clean Energy: Offer incentives and subsidies for renewable energy > projects and technologies. > > Improve Public Transportation: Invest in public transportation > infrastructure to encourage its use and reduce reliance on private vehicles. > > Urban Planning: Implement urban planning strategies that prioritize > walking, biking, and public transportation to reduce traffic congestion and > emissions. > > Air Quality Monitoring: Enhance monitoring systems to track PM2.5 levels > and other pollutants, providing real-time data to the public. > > Public Awareness Campaigns: Educate the public about the health risks of > air pollution and encourage actions to reduce emissions and improve air > quality. > > Enforce Emission Standards: Strictly enforce emission standards for > vehicles, industries, and power plants through regular monitoring and > penalties for non-compliance. > > International Cooperation: > > Collaboration: Foster international cooperation and agreements to address > transboundary air pollution and share best practices for reducing emissions. > > Research and Development: Invest in research and development of cleaner > technologies and pollution control methods to mitigate air pollution's > adverse effects. > > By combining individual efforts with strong government policies and > international collaboration, it's possible to mitigate PM2.5 pollution and > improve air quality for present and future generations. > > THUS N 95 IS GOOD BUT NOT THE BEST; ONE MUTE IS VALUED ONLY FOR A MINUTE > BUT NOT FULL PROOF. > > N 95: In the USA it costs 10 pieces $15. In Europe it is `10 pieces 12 > to 17 pounds; In India 10 pieces Rs 200 to 250; and it is not washable and > reusable according to doctors and science, though advertised as such. > Pierre, MD, MPH, an infectious disease physician and medical > director of public health programs at Boston Medical Center, told Health > that it's possible to use the same respirator for up to a week. For people > in high-risk settings, like healthcare facilities, it's best to toss the > mask after a day. If one person uses even per week on piece it could cost > Rs 3000 per head and a family of 6 will have to spend Rs 20000 which a > doctor like Tiny will not say. > > 3 I have no disrespect to any professional , authors and writers; but > I am against the eulogise; since your father and mother told you so many > anecdotes which you did not listen to but aspiring an outsider whose text > is self explained as:” > > “I think doctors make good story tellers,” says Tiny Nair, a cardiologist > at PRS Hospital. And he should know. His book, Happy At Heart, contains a > wealth of interesting anecdotes. And they *are not > scientists-made-this-discovery k*ind of tales, they are the stories of > people, of doctors, of patients, and of the importance of listening and > being present. While some make you smile as the doctor infuses doses of > humour in his narration, others touch a chord in your heart. How you > interpret each story, he says, is entirely up to you as each tale has an > underlying message. Most of the anecdotes are brief and the author says one > may read from any page and anywhere in the prologue. “However, if you are > reading the book from the start, don’t forget to read the end as it more or > less binds the rest of the stories together,” says Tiny.” So a learned > person can understand what I say; few illiterates may twist and turn as > they have no floaters. Tiny is not as brilliant as Dr Hegde who challenged > the doctor community itself. So, Gopala must keep everything about Tiny > unto himself. Thank you as far as PM 2.5 N95 is not safe and investible and > can be afforded. NB I always put forth my views with the proper evidence > and not based on Gossips; same way people who want to become K B > sundarambal, must place evidence and query; answering doesn’t teach etc is > a rowdyism only. Rowdy is shown the doors and I know better . AND WHERE ONE > LEARNS THE OTHER ONLY TEACHES AND IF THE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE IS UNKNOWN, > THEN ONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW THAT KNOWS NOT -SHUN HIM. K RAJARAM IRS 8324 > > Q2 What are the interesting facts about Switzerland that everyone > should know? > > KR 1 He forgets that he is repeating that shows his interest in his work. > > 2 Why should I know about Switzerland while I don’t know anything about > India? > > Q3 Can you teach me a weird psychology trick? > > KR As per Gopala classifications, WHEN ALL THE GROUP MEMBERS KNOW > VERY WELL, WHY SHOULD HE TEACH? And further each content is so shaky > without support and tries to teach an empty pillar. > > 1. To understand a person, observe his/her parents of the opposite sex. > > KR Who said so? Any back up? Who says so; a just graduated not elders as > written; if a son - from mother and daughter from father, then our Vedas > say, Matruh devo bhava; pitru devo bhava? So blasphemy must be controlled > by the compiler. > > A person's ability to love comes from parents of the opposite sex, and > discipline comes from same-sex parents. > > Love and discipline arise out of the same and opposite parent, then mere > parenthood being is sufficient? Suppose as one fool so aged asked about > Draupadi, suppose mother is debauchery and father a thief, is there any > guarantee that child will not be different, moving in the society? Sigmund > Freud had written a big chapter, would not have been read by a graduate but > the compiler should have verified it. ??? > > 2. Don't make any decisions when you're in tears, the less you talk when > your emotions are negative, the better. > > KR How do you know when and which decision will work out? If when in > the positive mood, negative decisions may not be the outcome? When in > tears, the freedom of the nation idea was born to a great gentleman who was > later called Gandhi Mahatma. > > 3. When a person agrees to your first request, there is a good chance that > they will agree to the second. > > KR That is how the game of dice was played by Dharma. > > 4. Curiosity can dispel fear. > > KR A foolish deduction; only out of curiosity one fears shadow and runs > faster and dies of chaordic arrest. Fear can be dispelled only by the mind > which knows that he knows. And not the minds of one who knows not that he > knows not. > > 5. You won't be depressed when you run. > > KR Only the depressions make one run; depressed minds take a lot of > time to cure; and foolish doctors did not know the knowledge of a graduate > backed up as scholar by a compiler, that there is such espy solution to > tell the depressed: RUN BABY RUN; if one does not send behind biting dogs? > > 6. Letting go will only make things worse. > > KR The problem with the compiler is, he will say something contrary before > others also. He himself now says that I SHALL NOT LET GO; WHILE J, YM ETC > SAYS (HE LEARNED) SAY LET GO; so which is correct/; so one who has only a > floating policy cannot be a jartha for the groups, leave alone the society. > > 7. To meet each other's needs in the first place, you can harvest good > interpersonal, cooperative relations. > > KR What is the meaning of each other’s needs? buying them tobacco, Ganja > etc? > > 8. The vast majority of people are unconfident, have a fragile > self-esteem, perceive to take advantage of this, do nothing, give them a > smile from the heart, can give themselves a score. Sarve jana: sukino > bhavanthu prayers are enough? > > 9. Crying children have sugar to eat. If a person is not good at > expressing himself, he will be ignored. > > KR And it depends on how the perception and vivekam of a person > receiving it; Durvasa kicked Vishnu; but Vishnu healed that foot in order > not to cause pain; and was not misconstrued; and so one who knowledge only > can under the other side of knowledge; Katraraik katrare kamuruvar. Crying > children get kicks also. Sugar candy is bad for teeth. > > 10. When two people eat together, if you want to know if the other person > has a potential affection for you (friendship and love apply), pick up a > cup and take a sip of water. If the other person also subconsciously picks > up his glass and drinks water, he or she is more likely to have a potential > interest in you. > > KR Oh Just graduated in the canteen and tried also? Then if one goes to > RR another must also accompany? {Why Narayanasamy alone even I can write > like him] > > Q4 What are some little known facts about McDonald's? > > KR One shall not drench believing a graduate. Now, “The Biggest > McDonald’s Menu Fails of All Time Readers’ digest > > 1 A McLobster sandwich in Nova Scotia. The lobster roll sandwiches are > served at fast food restaurants in Atlantic Canada. > > McDonald’s tried its hand at a fancy seafood offering in 1993. The > McLobster was a heap of lobster and lettuce in a bun, complete with > “lobster sauce.” As the picture makes clear, the lettuce often outweighed > the lobster, and many people were unwilling to pay $5.99 for it. But this > wasn’t quite the end of the McLobster story; it’s still available in Canada > and parts of New England. Can you guess where the most expensive McDonald’s > in the world is located? > > 2 Fried pineapple on the grill. Cooking fish burger. > > The Hula Burger was one of the McDonald’s menu’s earliest flops. In the > 1960s, McDonald’s franchise owner Ray Kroc discovered that their sales were > taking a hit in areas with large Catholic populations since Catholics often > abstain from eating meat on Fridays. So Kroc came up with a meatless > cheeseburger that he hoped would rejuvenate sales. His choice for the > patty? A grilled ring of pineapple. Yes, this burger was pineapple with > cheese on it. Need we say more about why it failed? McDonald’s saved face, > though, with another meatless option that became much more popular: the > Filet-O-Fish. > > 3 MORGAN SPURLOCK Morgan Spurlock, director, producer and star of the > documentary film "Super-Size Me" clowns with a movie poster at the U S > Comedy Arts Festival, in Aspen, Colo. The documentary, which chronicles the > deterioration of Spurlock's health during a month long experiment eating > nothing but McDonald's food, won a directing prize at the Sundance Film > Festival and is set for wide release this spring. McDonalds announced > Wednesday that it will Supersize fries and drinks in its more than 13,000 > U.S. restaurants and will stop selling them altogether by year's end, > except in > > This bigger-than-large size option for drinks and fries was actually > fairly successful when it was introduced in 1993. But then in 2004, > filmmaker Morgan Spurlock released his documentary Super-Size Me. This > stomach-churning look at the effects of eating McDonald’s food in excess > caused the franchise to backpedal and remove its super-size option. On the > other hand, there are plenty of McDonald’s healthy options you can get, too. > > 4 Ingredients: traditional American cheeseburger. Meat, bun and vegetables > close up > > There was nothing wrong with the McDull, introduced in the 1980s, in terms > of the food itself. This McDonald’s food item was simply a burger with > lettuce, tomato, cheese, and pickles. The problem was in the packaging. The > McDull was served in a Styrofoam container with two separate compartments. > In one was the lettuce, tomato, and pickles; the meat and bun were in the > other. > > The intention was to keep the warm and cool components of the sandwich > separate until right before consumption. But even this wasn’t the cause of > the DLT’s downfall. In the 1990s, environmental activists began criticizing > McDonald’s for their superfluous use of far-from-green Styrofoam, and the > product was pulled from the McDonald’s menu. > > 5 two burgers with salad on a pita > > Introducing this beef-and-veggie pita sandwich and calling it “the > McAfrika” would’ve been a blunder under any circumstances. But in 2002, > when McDonald’s franchises in (very wealthy) Norway started selling this > sandwich, many southern African countries were experiencing a period of > massive famine. Yikes. Public backlash caused McDonald’s to apologize and > pull the item. Learn about the countries where McDonald’s is banned around > the world. > > 6 Double burger with French fries on white paper > > The Arch Deluxe was another McDonald’s food item that was definitely > palatable but owed its failure to a bizarre marketing campaign. With this > sandwich—a burger with cheese, peppered bacon, and a potato-flour > bun—McDonald’s hoped to expand their demographic in the 1990s. They were > having massive success as a kid- and family-friendly franchise, but hoped > to be taken more seriously by adults. > > Calling the Arch Deluxe “the burger with the grown-up taste,” commercials > for this McDonald’s food item showed Ronald McDonald playing > “sophisticated” sports like golf and pool. More problematically, the ads > also showed kids appearing disgusted by the burger. Why the advertisers > thought that that would attract adults to it, we’re not sure. > > 7Hot dogs close up > > Ray Kroc, the man who turned McDonald’s into the fast-food giant we know, > was deeply opposed to his company selling hot dogs. The idea of mystery > meat in a casing disgusted him, and he forbade McDonald’s to produce hot > dogs. That didn’t stop the company from giving it a try in the 1990s, > though, after his death. But by that time, McDonald’s was so > well-established with the products it did sell that the Hotdog never really > caught on. People preferred the McDonald’s classics over this new > McDonald’s menu item. Speaking of the classics, get a look at the first > McDonald’s menu ever. > > 8 Croquette burger\ > > Plenty of these failed McDonald’s food items are bizarre, sure, but the > McGrain Croquette definitely takes the cake. Introduced primarily for the > Japanese market, this doozy of a sandwich combines macaroni, mashed > potatoes, and shrimp into a deep-fried croquette-like patty. This patty > then went on a bun with a bed of cabbage. Unsurprisingly, people found this > McDonald’s food item to have a very odd taste and it was not a success. > > 9 closeup of a pile of cooked spaghetti > > In the late ’80s and early ’90s, McDonald’s tried adding pasta products to > their menu. A spaghetti-and-meatballs dish is the best-known, but they also > tried fettuccine Alfredo and lasagna. Rumour has it that they were trying > to compete with Italian-inspired fast food, like Domino’s and Pizza Hut. > But as it turned out, consumers just weren’t interested in eating spaghetti > at McDonald’s, and the item was pulled from the McDonald’s menu. Check out > the coolest McDonald’s locations in the world. > > 10fast food chicken nuggets with ketchup, French fries, cola > > If you think these sound like a wacky variation on the old favorite > McDonald’s menu item, McNuggets, you’d be incorrect—they actually debuted > before McNuggets! Onion Nuggets, introduced in the 1970s, were chunks of > onion, fried, breaded, and served with dipping sauce. This unusual marriage > of onion rings and chicken nuggets proved pretty unpopular. Luckily, > though, the company would introduce Chicken McNuggets in 1980, and the rest > is history. > > 11 Classic Burgers > > Let’s be honest—McDonald’s is not where you go to get “lean” food. But > that didn’t stop the franchise from trying out this “McLean Deluxe” burger, > advertised as “91% fat-free,” in 1991. In addition to the premise itself, > which was a little off-brand, the burger also just didn’t taste very good, > due in part to its pretty wonky secret ingredient. To replace the fat > content of the meat patty, McDonald’s used water and… seaweed. Yes, > seaweed. Of course, a few failures have most definitely not diminished > McDonald’s popularity. The franchise has had plenty of success stories, > including the 10 most popular McDonald’s items ever. > > Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx KR IRS 8324 xxxxxxxxxx > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *'gopala krishnan' via iyer123* <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 at 23:27 > Subject: [iyer123] CULTURAL QA 03-2024-07 > To: Patty Thatha <[email protected]>, Kerala Iyer < > [email protected]>, Iyer <[email protected]> > > > CULTURAL QA 03-2024-07 > > All the below QA are from Quora DIGEST to me on 07-03-2024. > > Selected quora answers generally interesting including jokes are included > Still they need not be 100% correct answers. I am only a compiler. > > Compiled and posted by R. Gopala Krishnan, 80, on 07-03-2024. > > > > Q1 What can I learn in a minute that could save my life someday ? > > A1 Tiny Nair, Cardiologist at PRS Hospital, Trivandrum1y > > Learn something in one minute that you that could save you from a heart > attack or a stroke. > > You think you know all those stuff that matters right? Hypertension, > diabetes, smoking, high cholesterol, lack of exercise, obesity? Wrong. You > missed something important. > > In an article published in New England Journal of Medicine in 2021, > environmental > pollution can results in vascular disease and stroke. Now it is clear > that environmental pollution ranks as one of the ‘risk factors in > Cardio-vascular disease’. > > The small particles in air, known as PM 2.5 (particulate matter with size > less than 2.5 micron) get into our lungs, nudge their way into our > vascular system, and ending up as a nidus for atherosclerosis. > > This graph shows progressive increase in PM 2.5 concentration in air is > related to increase in stroke and heart attacks. > > Stop, there is more for us. The Bollywood-crazy, gossip-loving, selfie > addict, average Indian ranks as one of the highest burdened by PM2.5 > concentration globally. Look at this graph below. > > The global heat-map of ‘pollution-linked cardiovascular death’ colours > India as one of the brightest countries in the world, meaning the highest > cardiovascular death rates secondary to pollution. > > What Can You do? > > > > The bare minimum you could do to protect the world from pollution is to > take a flight to New York and wave a banner outside the UN HQ. > > But to protect yourself all you need is to wear a N-95 mask (the same one > that you hated for the last 3 years). > > A N-95 mask is named so because it filters 95% of PM 2.5. (it was not > originally designed for COVID 19). N-95 keeps the PM out, keeping your > lungs and vessels clean. > > Is there data to support. > > Yes. > > ‘Wearing a mask is uncomfortable’. I agree > > ‘A heart attack or a stroke leading to days in the ICU is worse’ – Don’t > You agree? > > Q2 What are the interesting facts about Switzerland that everyone > should know? > > A1 Amit Singh, 1h > > The divorce rate in Switzerland is about 43%, and people also marry > late—men at age 31.8 and women at 29.5 years. > > Switzerland is one of two countries in the world that have a square flag. > The second is Vatican City. > > The first waterproof watch was invented by Rolex in Switzerland in 1926. > > Switzerland is also the only country in the world to have built an > aeroplane that is powered by solar energy. It has travelled 40,000 km > without a single drop of fuel. > > The world's first instant coffee was invented in Switzerland in 1938. > > The highest railway station in Europe, Jungfrazuch railway station is in > Switzerland. It is built at an altitude of 11,332 feet above sea level. > > Nearly half of Switzerland's population owns guns. > > The world's smallest toolbox – the Swiss Army knife – was invented by > Carl Elsner. > > Charlie Chaplin spent the last 25 years of his life in Switzerland. > > More films produced by India are shot in Switzerland than in any other > country. > > Switzerland's crime and unemployment rates are among the lowest in the > world. > > Q3 Can you teach me a weird psychology trick? > > A3 Becky Eve, Studied English (language) & Psychology at Shanghai > Jiao Tong University (Graduated 2020)3y > > 1. To understand a person, observe his/her parents of the opposite sex. > > A person's ability to love comes from parents of the opposite sex, and > discipline comes from same-sex parents. > > 2. Don't make any decisions when you're in tears, the less you talk when > your emotions are negative, the better. > > 3. When a person agrees to your first request, there is a good chance > that they will agree to the second. > > 4. Curiosity can dispel fear. > > 5. You won't be depressed when you run. > > > > 6. Letting go will only make things worse. > > 7. To meet each other's needs in the first place, you can harvest good > interpersonal, cooperative relations. > > 8. The vast majority of people are unconfident, have a fragile > self-esteem, perceive to take advantage of this, do nothing, give them a > smile from the heart, can give themselves a score. > > 9. Crying children have sugar to eat. If a person is not good at > expressing himself, he will be ignored. > > 10. When two people eat together, if you want to know if the other person > has a potential affection for you (friendship and love apply), pick up a > cup and take a sip of water. If the other person also subconsciously > picks up his glass and drinks water, he or she is more likely to have a > potential interest in you. > > Q4 What are some little known facts about McDonald's? > > A4 Shaunak Bhattacharjeee, Software Engineer | Traveller | > Foodie23h > > Did you know that McDonald's real business is not selling burgers and > fries but they are actually into the real estate business? In fact, one of > their former CFOs said that they aren't into the food business, they are > into the real estate business. > > You see, in India or abroad, most companies expand by the mode of > franchises. They open up restaurants in various parts of the city. They > don't own those restaurants, they allow the owner of those outlets to > open a restaurant with their name where their products will sell. > > The owner will take the profits home while giving a certain royalty to > the parent brand. > > In this way, the parent brand can expand fast,l because it doesn't have to > invest in the property and the high profits can easily attract more and > more shop owners to open a restaurant in their name. But at the end of > the day, the brand isn't owning anything except getting the royalty > depending on sales. > > However, McDonald's didn't do franchises. It owned the property and then > opened up its restaurant. They buy the property and lease it out, at a > very high markup rate. They are getting the royalty per sale, that is > there but on top of that, they are getting regular income from the property > as well. Nowadays, they are also entering into the franchise business > because it helps in expansion but initially, when they started, they used > to buy the properties and set up their stores. Today, McDonald's is > present in over 100 countries and 15% of their restaurants are owned by > them! That's much more than any other restaurant chain. > > Q5 What are some examples of a small act that has a big > impact? > > A5 Ratnamala Kamath, M'com from Karnatak University, > Dharwad (Graduated 1988)4y > > My maid has been with me from the last 14 years. Her husband is a > wastrel/drunkard and she single handed bringing up her 2 kids and educating > them. > > She is a very self- respecting person and does not accept charity. > Whenever she has taken a loan from me she has repayed it in the next few > months. > > ***Since she will not accept money except her salary, I give her some > money as bonus during festivals so that she doesn't feel I'm doing her > any favour. She accepts this. > > My note-***In Chennai, it is compulsory condition to give one month > salary to housemaids as Bonus either during Pongal/Deepavali/Christmas > > A few months back she had gone to her native place, a village, a few hours > away from Bengaluru. > > When she came back she brought a big packet of green gram and dried > tamarind and gave them to me saying they were freshly harvested /grown in > her village. I could not refuse as she would have felt hurt and bad, so > accepted it. > > The tamarind is sweet and sour and exceptionally good. The green gram too > is very good. > > Since I always give her something during festivals, she too felt that she > should give me something which will be useful to me. Along with being a > receiver she wanted to be a giver too. > > What she gave was not important, the fact that she wanted to give was more > important. > > She gained my respect with this small act which made a big impact on me. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "iyer123" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/689130796.778893.1709789259158%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/689130796.778893.1709789259158%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Thatha_Patty" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZoqYYU4UhmXa-z3GNbUKfA0vo12um99HTUsPy2eO6hkoRg%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZoqYYU4UhmXa-z3GNbUKfA0vo12um99HTUsPy2eO6hkoRg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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