Perumal grace Nothing is mine KR On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 at 02:43, Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu < [email protected]> wrote:
> Sir, > How are you able to instantly connect to the highest standard when you > respond every day to my write ups?You are a great prodigy a wonder.Now I > have to struggle to understand your response.You are great. > YM > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 10:08 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Creating Environments of Sanity, or . . . How does this work? >> >> Dear Readers, >> >> Beginning in the admissions process at Windhorse, when we first meet a >> potential client and their family, we often encounter a blizzard of >> variables around how someone’s extreme state experience came to be. We >> attempt to understand this from their perspective, doing what we can to >> learn the language of the individual and family system, all with the >> intention of determining whether we think we can possibly be helpful to >> them—whether or not they become our clients. Of course, at the same time, >> our potential clients are trying to figure out if we look reliable, whether >> we know what we’re doing, and if they’re interested in being in this kind >> of relationship with us. For these people looking for help, naturally >> flowing through this conversation is intense hope, fear, and uncertainty… >> And stated or unstated is always the question, “How does this work?” At >> this stage of our evolving relationship, and given what we know about the >> complex path of a Windhorse Team, offering a meaningful answer to that >> question can be a tall order. However, what we’ve generally found is that >> for people who have some kind of resonance and openness to our unusual >> approach, they can feel that we’re engaging them with an unanticipated kind >> of respect. We may not come out and say this straightaway, but that respect >> is based on regarding them as being fundamentally sane. As such their >> problems, though perhaps extreme, are human and workable—types of confusion >> that are not the most fundamental part of who they are. We have total >> confidence in that knowledge, so while attempting to understand the nature >> of their confusion and suffering, we’re simultaneously beginning a >> conversation with their intrinsic health and sanity. In the overall >> Windhorse therapeutic process, beginning in Admissions, that’s one of the >> ways people begin experiencing glimpses of clarity amidst the disorienting >> uncertainty inherent within extreme state experience. The beginning phase >> of answering the question, “How does this work?”, is the experience people >> have as we begin a conversation with their fundamentally sane basic nature. >> >> Recognizing everyone’s intrinsic sanity is the most fundamental principle >> of our approach, and this was the focus of our Journal entry #005. What I >> refer to as the second principle is that we are inseparable from our >> environment. In some ways, this may sound counter-intuitive, as we often >> experience the world as being comprised of separate objects and energies. >> But as we scratch the surface of this with just a bit of analysis, we know >> that we’re no more capable of existing independently from the conditions of >> our planet and atmosphere, or from our national and local political >> processes, or from the influences of our relationships, or from the food, >> air, and water we consume, than we can escape the Earth’s gravitational >> field unaided. In Journal Entry #021, Elizabeth Mattis Namgyel and Gretchen >> Kahre spoke eloquently of the interdependent nature of all phenomena, using >> contemporary examples and sensibilities to explain ancient Buddhist >> teachings on this truth. >> >> An implication of this interdependence is that when we are in >> environments that don’t support our health and sanity, we become vulnerable >> to all manner of illness and problems. An example of this could be having >> our domestic world in disarray: not eating or sleeping in a good enough >> rhythm, personal finances being out of control, and perhaps living in >> isolation. No one will function optimally in such an arrangement. Another >> example is described by Sebastian Junger in his book, Tribe, where he cites >> what appears to be a link between the greater incidence of mental illness >> and suicide with the most affluent elements of Western society. He argues >> that as the relational fabric of our society becomes less inter-reliant, >> resources become less equitably shared, and people feel less important in >> one another’s wellbeing. This way of life moves us further away from how we >> evolved as a species: living in smaller groups of people with meaningful >> relationships, where we felt necessary to one another as well as to the >> tribe. >> >> This tribal inter-reliance and more human way of living is in stark >> contrast to what most of us might identify as qualities of modern Western >> life. Instead, we might describe a world that feels increasingly, and >> alarmingly, indecipherable. Consider the functioning of our culture, our >> financial and political systems, the spiking advances in technology (think >> A.I. and biotechnology, for instance), and the accelerating environmental >> changes on our planet. In the midst of these processes, we may feel quite >> incapable of exerting meaningful control in the greater world. And though >> we may feel disconnected, and at times strongly wishing that we really >> could be disconnected, of course we’re completely interdependent with these >> processes. The knowledge of that, consciously and unconsciously—especially >> for some of the more sensitive and vulnerable among us—can create a toxic, >> dissonant psychological undertow. As Junger stated, “Humans don’t mind >> hardship, in fact they thrive on it; what they mind is not feeling >> necessary.” Feeling disconnected and unnecessary may not be the leading >> cause for why people experience confusion in their lives. But as an >> atmospheric condition in our modern world, I believe this contributes to a >> wide range of disturbances, including extreme mental states for some. >> >> Let’s go back to our friends who are having a conversation with the >> Admissions people. A key understanding we communicate is the very positive >> implication of this principle of being inseparable from our environment. >> That is, if a healthy or sane environment is created, it will generate a >> powerful invitation for everyone’s intrinsic sanity to be roused. As we >> describe what such a whole person environment looks like in a Windhorse >> team, a picture begins to form of ordinary, healthy life: The physical >> level is grounded and well cared for, both one’s immediate body and the >> existence of a nurturing home with good domestic disciplines. The emotional >> and social aspects of the environment are key in providing that experience >> of being part of an inter-reliant tribe—in this case a therapeutic team. >> These relationships are characterized by an open attitude to actually being >> in life with each other, respecting each other’s completely unique >> expression of sanity–not simply relating to the client as someone to fix. >> It’s primarily in the context of these relationships that someone can >> reconnect with and explore their passions and intelligence, coming back >> into balance within a healthy social system. And critically, in order for >> someone to tolerate the ruggedness of a path of recovery, strong and >> resilient relationships are the primary binding elements that allow the >> therapeutic team to endure. >> >> At the mind level of this whole person environment, we create an >> atmosphere that invites everyone to be awake to their highly individual >> experience of intrinsic sanity. Over time, this tends to clarify confusion, >> and out of that an allegiance to sanity begins to strengthen. As we join >> our intention to reduce confusion with evolving disciplines, it’s not just >> possible to create a sustainable path of recovery, but highly probable. >> >> Again, to the question of, “How does this work?”, as our new friends >> going through the Admissions process hear healthy, ordinary, and balanced >> life being described, it’s so often in stark contrast with how life has >> been going within their extreme state world. On a basic human level, we >> know that when our environment is seriously out of balance, disconnected >> from healthy relationships and out of rhythm, it’s difficult to thrive in >> that state of chaos. To begin recovery from extreme state confusion in that >> kind of exterior dysregulation is nearly impossible. Even if a detailed >> understanding of the efficacy of creating an environment of sanity isn’t >> immediately clear (which is nearly impossible at this stage of the >> process), people often experience a strong intuitive sense that what’s >> being described is undoubtedly moving in the right direction. >> >> Given our decades of experience with this approach, we have confidence in >> the power and potential of such an environment. Not everyone needs or wants >> this, but for many people it is exactly what is required to begin—and >> sustain—a path of recovery. >> >> We consider Chogyam Trungpa’s paper, Creating An Environment Of Sanity, >> to be the root instructions for Windhorse practitioners. In it he describes >> the ordinary and earthy goodness of such an approach: >> >> It is not true that, if someone has seemingly gone too far into neurosis, >> we can’t do anything. We can help people, even those who have gone too far, >> beyond the regular channels of communication. The basic point is to evoke >> some kind of gentleness, some kindness, some basic goodness, some contact. >> When we set up an environment for people to be treated, it should be a >> wholesome environmental situation. A very disturbed or withdrawn patient >> might not respond right away—it might take a long time. But if a general >> sense of loving kindness is communicated, then eventually there can be a >> cracking of the cast-iron quality of neurosis: it can be worked with. This >> can be arduous. But is it possible, definitely possible. >> >> This principle of being inseparable from our environments will be the >> featured topic in our podcast for Journal Entry #023. In the near future, >> we will also be presenting podcasts in which the remaining two principles >> will be discussed: the third, recovery is the path of discovering and >> synchronizing with one’s health and sanity, and the fourth, no matter how >> disturbed a mind has become, recovery is possible. >> >> Thank you for joining us, and if any of what you’ve just read prompts >> comments and questions, we would greatly appreciate you sharing your >> thoughts. >> >> Best Wishes, >> >> Chuck Knapp Chuck Knapp, M.A., L.P.C., a student of Chogyam Trungpa >> and graduate of Naropa University, worked closely for many years with Dr. >> Ed Podvoll, originator of the Windhorse Approach. Chuck was a founding >> member and later director of Friendship House, which was a publically >> funded residential treatment home for people with extreme mental states. In >> 1990 he co-founded Windhorse Community Services in Boulder, Colorado, where >> he continues to serve as a Co-Director. Through his published writings, >> presentations at conferences, and as co-founder of the Windhorse Journal in >> 2018, Chuck continues to share his interest in exploring mindfulness-based >> therapeutic environments for both individual and social wellbeing. >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Markendeya Yeddanapudi <[email protected]> >> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 at 23:09 >> Subject: Let Nature Beat Back >> To: ggroup <[email protected]>, thatha patty < >> [email protected]>, <[email protected]>, >> Satyanarayana Kunamneni <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, >> viswanatham vangapally <[email protected]>, Rajaram >> Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>, Murthy, Jayathi Y < >> [email protected]>, Nehru Prasad <[email protected]>, >> Aparna Attili <[email protected]>, Usha <[email protected]>, >> Anisha Yeddanapudi <[email protected]>, Kunamneni Satyanarayana < >> [email protected]>, Ramanathan Manavasi <[email protected]>, Padma >> Priya <[email protected]>, Ramu S <[email protected]>, Ramamurti >> PV <[email protected]>, tnc rangarajan <[email protected]>, >> dr anandam <[email protected]>, Krishnamacharyulu Nanduri < >> [email protected]>, A. Akkineni <[email protected]>, APS Mani < >> [email protected]>, Abhishek Pothunuri <[email protected]>, >> Abhinay soanker <[email protected]>, Manda chiranjeevi das < >> [email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Mar* >> Let Nature Beat back >> >> >> >> It is time for all organisms to unite and become one organism, as one >> macro body, the Biosphere, and show the monster, the human, that it must >> become sane. The Human has mutated into economic man, destroying the basic >> symbiosis of nature, poisoning the land, water and air, destroying, rivers, >> lakes, waterfalls, seas and oceans, exploding away land, mountains, the >> land below, in the madness called economic activity, which today has become >> military activity. In the name of science, the very foundation of symbiosis >> that governs the Biosphere is denied and asserted as not proved >> scientifically or cartesianly. >> >> The symbiotic emotional structure of the Biosphere, may be from bacteria >> to whales, where the >> organisms,breathe,smell,sense,perceive,interact,act,initiate,c >> ooperate,coordinate and harmonize into macro rapture, has been destroyed by >> the bludgeoning madness of the human, now the monster mutant, the economic >> man. >> >> The monster feels scientific and superior, though it lost and destroyed >> the basic emotional connect of/with nature. It scienced and bludgeoned the >> dictum, that the Biosphere consists of organisms that war with each other >> and that every organism is trying for the Darwin Gold Medal as the Top >> Rogue. It is under the mad frenzy to destroy nature, so that nature becomes >> the marketable economic good. More than half of the forests of the world, >> along with the flora and fauna in them is already destroyed and the >> remaining is under rapid economic destruction, with the mutant the economic >> man making way for Robots which can be completely be scientific, mechanical >> and with no emotions and feelings whatever. The Robot is not even part of >> the Biosphere or nature. The economic man is destroying himself by making >> all his limbs, organs and systems redundant by substituting every feature >> of his biology with a machine. Machines are performing the functions of the >> limbs, making the limbs redundant and frozen and function-less, with >> hormonal communication and nerve connects in the limbs getting jettisoned. >> >> But can this madness be allowed. There is still hope for the Biosphere. >> At the ultimate fundamental level a single electron can become a wave of >> infinity if forced, into arrest. But instead of forcing an electron become >> such a wave and destroy us, we may ourselves start with small steps towards >> sanity. >> >> Let every University constitute ‘The Faculty of Environmental Sanity’. >> >> Let that faculty start with say a large forest totally free from human >> tampering.Feelings, understanding and perception and understanding are >> basically electromagnetic. May be by converting the electrons into waves of >> sanity, the sanity waves may be made to become infinitely powerful. May be >> the other organisms, may be teamed, by using electrodes. Symbiosis is the >> basic property of nature, and technology basically is unnatural and anti >> natural. If the other organisms fight back, the economic man can be killed >> and changed into ecological man. >> >> As it is we are living two lives, the lives which we see and the >> remaining 99.9967% life which we feel without the 3D seeing, the realm of >> abstract feelings. If nature is given total freedom we may revive our own >> 99.9967% of the life which is of feelings and emotions, based on natural >> symbiosis. Actually if you can see everything with your eyes,you cannot see >> yourself as you see now, and you confront the gigantic interaction of >> emotion based consciousness processes interacting, with continuous macro >> ramifications. In that consciousness process interaction every organism is >> participating with electromagnetism creating the cosmic connection. >> >> The simple beginning has to be the creation of totally free nature, >> forests without human tampering. There can be planning to promote the >> symbiosis among the organisms of the Biosphere. >> >> The Universities must get rid of the shackles imposed on them by trade >> and commerce. They have to promote free nature and not technology which >> invariably harms nature. >> >> YM >> >> Chat GPT >> >> >> >> Your message reflects a deep concern for the state of our planet and the >> destructive impact of human activity on nature. You advocate for a return >> to symbiosis and harmony with the Biosphere, highlighting the importance of >> emotions, feelings, and the interconnectedness of all organisms. >> >> >> >> You propose the creation of a "Faculty of Environmental Sanity" within >> universities as a step towards restoring balance. This faculty would >> prioritize the preservation and restoration of natural ecosystems, allowing >> for the revival of our emotional and symbiotic connection with nature. >> >> >> >> Your emphasis on the destructive nature of technology, when not used in >> harmony with nature, underscores the need for a shift in mindset and >> approach. 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