Welcome KR On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 at 22:36, Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu < [email protected]> wrote:
> Sorry it is archive,not achieve,the typo correction from google. > YM > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 9:03 AM Markendeya Yeddanapudi < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Rajaram, >> I congratulate myself for provoking your wonderful and scholarly >> response,the flow of your English is so spontaneous and exact.I shall >> achieve your response before it is entangled with war. >> YM >> >> On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 7:45 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> And now she has a second book coming out: Braiding Sweetgrass: Renewing >>> Reciprocity with the Good Green Earth, and by a sweet coincidence the >>> expected publication date is October 2013. >>> >>> “Braiding Sweetgrass: >>> >>> Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants,” >>> Kimmerer will touch on these two alternatives but ultimately connected >>> ways of knowing about the world: Traditional Ecological Knowledge and >>> Science. We can expect her to read from her new book. Besides ENHS, her >>> visit is being co-sponsored by two units of the University of Oregon: the >>> Environmental Studies Program, and the Oregon Humanities Center. >>> >>> >>> >>> This morning, we had eight tenths of an inch of rain, the first >>> storm of the season. I trudged out between showers an hour ago to find the >>> woods on the trail above the house transformed. The poison oak, brilliant >>> in shades of coral and burgundy only a few ays ago, was leafless. >>> Liverworts on the hardwood l gas, grey and brittle then, were plump, green >>> and dripping moisture. For the first time in months, I >>> >>> spotted newts and banana slugs on the path. Perhaps this is the moment >>> in the year I love most. My eyes open to the incredible beauty and richness >>> of our native woodlands as they awaken from their summer dormancy. This >>> Saturday we’ll ride the horses up through the edge of these woods to the >>> ridge that runs parallel to Lorane Highway from Fox Hollow Road to >>> Lorane. We love our trail along the ridge because >>> >>> the first part goes through a beautiful forest, over sixty years old, >>> whose understory is a mix of hazel, ferns, mosses, and, in season, >>> wildflowers or interesting mushrooms. For the last half dozen years, it >>> has been home to a small and sociable flock of gray jays. This half-mile >>> stretch of cool shaded beauty is the last large intact piece of wooded >>> land left to us. Once all our trails were wooded. Now we are about to >>> lose this precious place. All summer we have watched the ribbons go up, >>> “Timber Harvest” “Timber Sale” “Cut Boundary”. The trees will go. >>> >>> We just do not know exactly when. Perhaps watching all the >>> nearby woods we love being felled makes me more sensitive to the evolving >>> plans to greatly increase logging on the public O&C Lands in order to >>> provide needed revenues for the timber-dependent counties. Living near >>> industrial timberlands and knowing just exactly what happens to forestland >>> when it is managed according to standard commercial logging practices >>> makes me regard with horror Representatives DeFazio, Walden and >>> Schrader’s bill. The bill, which has now cleared Committee, would turn over >>> management of 1.67 million acres of the 2.8 million acres of public O&C >>> lands to private timber interests that do not have to comply with the >>> federal environmental laws giving protection to riparian and watershed >>> areas. The proposed change in public land management is not just a >>> proposal to devastate some of our most biologically diverse and healthy >>> forestlands, it is also a foolish attempt to put a band-aid on a very real >>> and troubling economic problem. >>> >>> Oregon’s public lands were the source of billions of board feet of >>> prime timber, such as you do not see marketed today, from the 1950s until >>> the early 1990s by which time all but 5% of the state’s old growth >>> >>> timber was gone. This era was the heyday of logging, the ‘good old >>> days’. But were they so good? In my experience, living surrounded by >>> timberland, both public and private, for the last 44 years, the loggers I >>> >>> knew were not well off. Seasonally unemployed, they scratched out a >>> living doing some ranching, some logging, and a lot of hunting. None of >>> them got rich. >>> >>> The timber companies, often out-of-state companies, certainly did >>> grow wealthy. And the timber- dependent counties got government payments >>> to help with schools, libraries, and police. Generations of >>> >>> children grew up contented with little education and a job like Dad’s in >>> the woods or the mill. The counties did little or nothing to court new >>> industries, or retirement and residential developments, even >>> >>> though, as the examples of Brookings, Bandon and Sisters prove, the >>> demand for development in our lovely rural areas is huge. The counties were >>> content to be timber-welfare junkies and when the timber was >>> >>> gone, to cry for more aid, for more public logging. >>> >>> Enter the plan to get more timber off the O&C lands. By turning >>> large tracts of public land over to timber companies to manage, the state >>> will be removing federal protections from these acreages. >>> >>> Trees now 80 and more years old will be harvested, and the land will be >>> sprayed, repeatedly, with cocktails of chemicals. The streams and creeks >>> will run brown with silt, for the bill proposes to increase logging in >>> riparian areas. A generation’s worth of forest, aquatic and ecological >>> research will be ignored, and the trees will fall. Plantations of disease- >>> >>> and fire-prone monocultured Douglas firs will replace the forests that >>> now shelter a rich biota, soils with healthy nutrient-rich microorganisms, >>> and streams with clean, cold water where trout and salmon lay their eggs >>> in undisturbed gravel beds. >>> >>> Will it bring much-needed jobs? Not many, really. Modern >>> logging and milling practices do not require many workers. One skilled man >>> with a large machine can mow down a hundred acres in a few days. With >>> >>> the help of another worker, he can load and haul away the logs to >>> market. The days of the gyppo loggers, whole families working in the woods >>> together, are almost things of the past. As for the mills, they too are >>> streamlined and modernized, and a very great deal of timber cut on private >>> land never gets to the mills because it is exported as raw logs. >>> >>> Ever since the early 20 th century, when public lands were opened >>> to logging, the mantra has been that trees are a renewable resource and >>> that logging will be on a sustainable basis. Our logging practices are >>> >>> not, and have never been, sustainable. Increasing the logging pressure >>> on the O&C lands will do terrible damage to a diverse ecosystem just >>> healing from past decades of exploitation. When the trees are gone, the >>> >>> revenues going to the counties will shrink and disappear again. And then >>> the outcry will start anew. >>> >>> Open more land for logging! We need the revenue! The timber-dependent >>> counties do not need more logging. They do not need to destroy their best >>> and most precious asset, their rich, intact natural >>> >>> resources. Instead, they need investment in diverse industries and >>> development. The residents of those counties need to learn new skills for >>> new jobs instead of remaining hopelessly caught in dead-end jobs or >>> >>> unemployment. >>> >>> When we ride our favorite trail Saturday we will be saying goodbye, for >>> three months for sure, because we are leaving the next day for Cambridge, >>> England, which though it has its own beauties, is the heart of that >>> nation’s most treeless county. We are probably saying goodbye to ‘our’ >>> trees forever. I only hope I will not also return to the certain >>> deforestation of so much of western Oregon’s last remaining mature >>> >>> timber lands, and all the life they support and shelter. >>> >>> Rarely, if ever, do I use the pages of Nature Trails for >>> political advocacy, but this is an exception. It does not take much effort >>> to raise your voice or pen in support of keeping the public lands public, >>> and >>> >>> protected. Let Congress and the Governor know that Oregonians support >>> finding a better way to help our rural counties than destroying more >>> than a million acres of our greatest treasure. Please help. With >>> all the recent rain the forest is full of fungi. Go out there and >>> begin your search for our long-awaited local mushrooms. If you don’t have >>> a favorite secret place, check out Dorris Ranch (where the shaggy >>> >>> parasols pictured here were found), Spencer Butte or even East Alton >>> Baker Park. Unless you have a positive ID of the specimens you find, enjoy >>> them only for their beauty. Remember, “There are old shroomers and >>> there are bold shroomers, ut there are no old, bold shroomers.” >>> >>> Why is this? My own worldview, like everyone else’s, is skewed by >>> idiosyncrasy. Because I’m an internally conflicted evolutionary >>> >>> biologist, it occurred to me that some of our psychological disjunction, >>> if not outright dysfunction, might be explained by our evolutionary >>> history, and an examination of our evolutionarily mosaic selves might be >>> a productive line of inquiry, a launching pad for addressing some of the >>> more pressing questions now facing humanity. >>> >>> For starters, we are one genetically differentiated human family. >>> This fact is indisputable given the disparate and overwhelming genetic >>> evidence from the DNA of our mitochondria, which we inherit from >>> >>> our mothers, and the DNA from our Y chromosome, which those of us of the >>> male persuasion inherit from our fathers. Both lines of genetic evidence >>> point to a single evolutionary origin for humans. But both of >>> >>> these gene trees also show that individual groups of humans have >>> differentiated genetically. This differentiation has occurred because of >>> random processes such as genetic drift (the gradual divergence of gene >>> frequencies among populations that are for some reason not exchanging >>> genes) or because natural selection has favoured genes in one population >>> that are not selectively advantageous in another. These two processes can >>> also operate together. Cultural differences also can reinforce this >>> divergence. Thus, we are all biologically human and yet clearly >>> different from one another. All of us came from somewhere else. Most >>> biogeographical evidence indicates that humans originated in Africa and >>> dispersed globally. Dispersal probably happened more than once, with an >>> ancient lineage that preceded Homo sapiens packing their >>> >>> bags and moving into southern Europe over a million years ago followed >>> by at least one other group of modern humans leaving at least 60,000 years >>> ago. >>> >>> This move was only a beginning; since then, our ancestors have >>> gone nearly everywhere on the globe except Antarctica. But dispersal is >>> risky, and there is a huge advantage to staying in a place where sources >>> >>> of food and shelter and social connections are known. >>> >>> We, the descendants of both dispersers and homebodies, are both >>> people. Our ancestors also did a pretty good job of sharing their genes >>> around. The most dramatic example might also be the most ancient so far >>> supported by evidence. Sequencing of the Neanderthal genome in >>> >>> 2010 revealed that genetic pieces of this ancient lineage of humans >>> persists in many of us today, supporting the idea that in southern Europe >>> some ancient hanky panky occurred between Homo neanderthalensis and more >>> recent Homo sapiens immigrants. So humans are a mixed bag right down to >>> our chromosomes and the genes that reside on >>> >>> them. >>> >>> Humanity is easy to criticize these days, and I have cast many >>> stones. One common refrain accuses our species of being selfish and >>> shortsighted. Our current environmental woes suggest that this >>> characterization is correct. One author recently described our notions >>> >>> of self-contained individuality as “ridiculous,” but on that score I’m >>> not so sure. Certainly the primate lineage indicates over 50 million years >>> of social evolution, where group selection has favored our interactive >>> participation in tribal bands. Yet preceding the evolution of >>> sociality, there occurred about four billion years of natural selection >>> for individual survival and reproduction. There exists no evolutionary >>> rulebook that says we cannot be both social and self-centered, and we >>> cannot assume that these evolutionary forces are mutually exclusive. >>> >>> Both could be influencing our current pattern of >>> decision-making. So while I concur that humans are shortsighted, I’m not >>> certain how “ridiculous” this behavior is. Regardless, this pejorative >>> seems to have >>> >>> failed so far to change our behavior. >>> >>> I have no idea what contribution our mosaic genetic background >>> makes to our internal struggle. Certainly culture also plays a large role. >>> A day in the modern world might lambast us with an endless variety of >>> >>> alternatives ranging from the vastly important to the ridiculously >>> trivial: career/family, stay/relocate, vegetarian/omnivore, >>> organic/conventional, >>> >>> bike/drive, stocks/bonds, paper/plastic, Mac/PC, Android/IPhone. Give >>> the array of conflicts that must be resolved, it’s a wonder we all don’t >>> curl into a permanent fetal position under the desk and refuse to >>> >>> come out. Yet we carry on, trying to make the gray fog of continua >>> become black and white. >>> >>> Ultimately it seems that the fields of physics, biology, >>> psychology, and sociology can show us only the grayness of it all. >>> Recognizing where we are is an important first step, but illuminating our >>> conundrums >>> >>> usually causes us just to scratch our heads and say “Wow, that’s a >>> conundrum!” While science has been very good at showing us our >>> predicaments, we need help with a decision-making process that allows us >>> to choose the right behavior when it impacts our most pressing problems. >>> >>> The ongoing and interrelated issues of climate change, pollution, >>> overextraction, desertification, and poverty compel us to move forward in >>> ways that create a healthy future for ourselves, our descendants, and our >>> communities. >>> >>> Yes, we are genetically programmed organisms. But we are not >>> automatons. If both the natural and unnatural history of humanity is >>> somehow responsible for driving us over a future Malthusian cliff, and if >>> the sciences are providing an onslaught of information but not answers, >>> then we need something more. >>> >>> Perhaps we should look to art in all its various forms for pathways >>> toward reimagination. In the Tom Robbins novel Fierce Invalids Home from >>> Hot Climates, the protagonist Switters sees language evolving from being >>> a brush for painting a picture of our present universe to one we use to >>> outline the future we want to inhabit, which from my perspective would be >>> founded upon environmental stability. >>> >>> Maybe a common collaborative language can be forged between >>> scientific knowledge and artistic connection that could help us discover >>> ways in which tribal humans with a strong tendency for self-preservation >>> can connect as a global community. That language might also help us find >>> pathways leading simultaneously to holding the strongest sense imaginable >>> of local place while embracing the connectivity of the global ecosystem. >>> >>> Like Switters, I’m not sure what this new tongue will look or >>> sound like. Because tipping points are being breached, there are some >>> elements of our future narrative that can be avoided. We have little time >>> to muck around with denial, including ignoring or blaming others for our >>> systemic socio environmental problems. Time also has run out for anger, >>> regardless >>> of whether it is directed at others or ourselves. >>> >>> Forgiveness might be a first step forward, and I mean >>> forgiveness in the sense of letting go of whatever biological or cultural >>> imperatives brought us to this place. We might also accept that life is >>> complex and >>> >>> let go of our need to pigeonhole our mosaic selves. Regardless of the >>> details, my hope is that our new stories move us decisively toward an >>> ecologically and socially sustainable world. >>> >>> K RAJARAM IRS 2724 3724 >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 at 19:29, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Mar*Feeling of Feeling of Feeling… >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Suppose you achieved the speed of light. You lose your volume identity, >>>> or space leaves time, or no longer remain as the space-time or simply you, >>>> and you become the infinite vacuum. Your time loses its space tie and space >>>> address, but you still travel in the electromagnetic waves. You become the >>>> vacuum, the expanse of your perception and understanding becomes infinity, >>>> you enter the great ocean of rapture. As a participant in the >>>> electromagnetic waves, you become perception; understanding and >>>> enlightenment wave. You become the ultimate rapture or return to mother >>>> earth when she was free from pollutions caused by economics. >>>> >>>> Free,healthy,thick and lush nature, puts you under the ultimate spell >>>> of revelations of nature, where you join the Biosphere the great college of >>>> perceptions, understanding and revelations, all as rapture. You don’t need >>>> rockets, space-ships etc to do the space travel, which of course is >>>> impossible, as there is no material with which you can make the space-ship >>>> that withstands the hot stars, black holes etc,with you remaining as the >>>> unmutated earthling ( containing octillions of bacteria, each with its own >>>> DNA) hiding in the space-ship or the mini earth. >>>> >>>> After all you cannot even go into the earth, by digging for more than >>>> say twenty km of earth, as the lava sea, the Asthenosphere will melt you. >>>> >>>> Instead suppose you become a Rishi. You enter the arena of feelings, >>>> feeling the feeling, again feeling that feeling, on and on, where the >>>> paradigmatic bases of understanding change from one rapture wave to >>>> another. You become the perception wave as the electromagnetic wave, the >>>> eye of Siva in you giving you the power of instant perception. >>>> >>>> Every life form is a station of feelings and emotions. In free and >>>> healthy nature you smell and sense the various feelings continuously, the >>>> feeling equations continuously solving into new perception answers and >>>> enlightenment which again joins the cascades of feeling equations. Diverse >>>> feeling equations join as the solved equation of revelations, which again >>>> join in the new ocean of equations of feelings. You enter the arena of >>>> revelations as the continuously changing paradigms. >>>> >>>> Revelation means entering the arena of new and new sublime paradigms. >>>> In free and healthy nature, every cell and bacterium in you enables you to >>>> join the revelation waves of the Biosphere. But when you employ machines to >>>> the work of your limbs and organs, they become redundant and frozen and >>>> your capacity to participate in the great dance of revelations of nature >>>> gets shackled by the machine arrests. >>>> >>>> In free and healthy nature, every day you do not wither with age but >>>> travel in the arena of revelations, enabling you to age gracefully. >>>> >>>> We are not realizing what we are doing to ourselves and the rest of the >>>> Biosphere with our technology which is getting substituted in the place of >>>> our natural faculties. >>>> >>>> When one does not even notice the terrible destruction and the nearing >>>> extinction, and indulges happily in calculating the economic growth, in >>>> reality of the destruction of nature, there is only one word to describe >>>> the sickness-lunacy. >>>> >>>> YM >>>> >>>> Chat GPT >>>> >>>> ### Feeling of Feeling of Feeling... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> **Concept of Achieving the Speed of Light** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> When one contemplates achieving the speed of light, it transforms the >>>> fundamental nature of existence. According to Einstein's theory of >>>> relativity, as one approaches the speed of light, time dilation becomes >>>> significant, and spatial dimensions begin to lose their distinctiveness. At >>>> the speed of light: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - **Loss of Volume Identity**: An object theoretically loses its >>>> spatial volume, transitioning into a state where space and time meld into a >>>> unified fabric. >>>> >>>> - **Infinite Perception**: Entering this state, one perceives reality >>>> not through discrete points in space-time but as an omnipresent entity, >>>> experiencing everything simultaneously. This can be likened to becoming >>>> part of the electromagnetic waves that traverse the cosmos, embodying >>>> perception, understanding, and enlightenment. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> **Joining the Biosphere as a Perceptive Entity** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In this hypothetical state, one becomes a participant in the grand >>>> symphony of nature's revelations. This echoes the spiritual journey of a >>>> Rishi (sage) who transcends physical limitations to achieve a state of >>>> continuous revelation: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - **Nature's Spell**: Immersing in an untouched, healthy environment >>>> allows one to perceive and understand the interconnectedness of all life >>>> forms. This environment acts as a vast college of perception and >>>> understanding, fostering continuous enlightenment. >>>> >>>> - **No Need for Physical Travel**: Unlike the mechanical endeavors of >>>> space travel, which confront insurmountable physical challenges, spiritual >>>> or perceptive travel transcends these barriers. The human mind and spirit >>>> can explore the universe's mysteries without physical constraints. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> **Feelings and Emotions as Pathways to Revelation** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Emotions and feelings are integral to this journey. In a free and >>>> healthy natural world, one can continually experience new layers of >>>> feelings, each leading to deeper understanding and enlightenment: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - **Cascades of Feelings**: Engaging deeply with nature, one can sense >>>> diverse feelings and emotions, leading to continuous new insights and >>>> revelations. This creates a dynamic, ever-evolving understanding of the >>>> universe. >>>> >>>> - **Machine Dependence vs. Natural Faculties**: Reliance on technology >>>> can stifle this natural capacity for revelation. When machines perform >>>> tasks meant for human faculties, they become redundant, and the >>>> individual's ability to engage in the dance of natural revelations >>>> diminishes. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> **The Dance of Revelations and Aging Gracefully** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In a symbiotic relationship with nature, aging is not a process of >>>> decline but a graceful journey through continuous revelations: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - **Continuous Revelations**: Every day brings new insights and deeper >>>> understanding, fostering a state of perpetual growth and rejuvenation. This >>>> contrasts sharply with the mechanized, technology-driven existence that >>>> often leads to physical and emotional stagnation. >>>> >>>> - **Realizing the Impact**: The unchecked technological advancements >>>> and economic pursuits are leading to environmental destruction and a >>>> disconnection from nature. Recognizing and addressing this lunacy is >>>> crucial for restoring balance and fostering a meaningful existence. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> **Conclusion** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The journey of becoming one with the universe through the "feeling of >>>> feeling of feeling" emphasizes the profound connection between perception, >>>> emotions, and the natural world. By embracing this holistic approach, one >>>> can achieve a state of continuous revelation and enlightenment, >>>> transcending the limitations imposed by modern technological and economic >>>> paradigms. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ### Further Reading >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For a deeper exploration of these concepts, you might find the >>>> following sources insightful: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. **"The Fabric of the Cosmos" by Brian Greene**: This book explores >>>> the nature of space and time, including the implications of traveling at >>>> the speed of light. >>>> >>>> 2. **"The Tao of Physics" by Fritjof Capra**: This book discusses the >>>> parallels between modern physics and Eastern mysticism, touching upon the >>>> interconnectedness of the universe. >>>> >>>> 3. **"The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle**: This book emphasizes the >>>> importance of living in the present moment and connecting with the deeper >>>> layers of consciousness. >>>> >>>> 4. **"Braiding Sweetgrass" by Robin Wall Kimmerer**: A beautiful >>>> exploration of the relationship between humans and nature, emphasizing the >>>> importance of reciprocal relationships and deep connection to the natural >>>> world. >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> *Mar* >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Thatha_Patty" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHCLsnV_4mRN2pPppR-mqv8LrASS%3DprxK2Km0T6F8a4RMzw%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHCLsnV_4mRN2pPppR-mqv8LrASS%3DprxK2Km0T6F8a4RMzw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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