Love and friendship Diotima is a name found in the works of the Greek philosopher Plato. This Diotima of Mantinia was also a philosopher. His philosophical vision is unique. Take for example this argument he makes. A thing does not have to be extremely clean or extremely impure. It cannot be said that something that is not white must be black. Between the two extreme positions lies a little-explored space. Personalities can exist between God and humans. Reality is in the eye of the beholder. It cannot be said that what I feel is what you feel.'
Diotima explores in detail what it means to love another. The love of a higher power appeals to him more than the love of men for their fellow men. This love transcends the physical. Diotima says that it is possible to express such high love to fellow human beings. Some later researchers say that Diotima's beauty, intelligence, and energy are unbelievable. She is probably a fictional character and they firmly believe that such a woman could never have lived in reality. They argue that Plato must have created Diotima to give a side to his philosophical dialogues. But not only Plato but also his teacher Socrates mentioned Diotima. He calls Diotima not just a woman philosopher, but a teacher who taught me. In particular, Socrates mentions that he learned from him the philosophical investigations of love. This love is not a physical love that blossoms between people, but an inner love. That means friendship. This friendship is called platonic relationship or love. Accordingly, intellectual and emotional love between a man and a woman is possible. This affection is not love. Here a man's body and a woman's body lose their importance. Both are united by love. They love each other dearly. A platonic relationship overturns the age-old belief that friendship is impossible between a man and a woman. Why is it said that male-female friendship is not possible? Mary Woolstonecraft's late 18th-century answer to this is not only simple but important. A man has never considered a woman as his equal. Woman was judged to be subservient to man and less worthy than man. The male was given the headship in the family. Society was ruled by men. They were in power. In religion, philosophy, art and literature, men were at the top. Friendship is possible when a man considers a woman as another life like me. When you start thinking that you are below me, friendship starts to break. A man and a woman cannot be united in friendship because the feeling of dominance and friendship are not connected. Diotima the Conversant That is why Diotima is not discussing human love but a love beyond that. It was Diotima who introduced male-female friendship, now known as the Platonic relationship, as a philosophical inquiry for both Socrates and Plato. Socrates mentions that I learned the philosophy of love or affection from Diotima in my youth. Diotima plays an important role in Plato's philosophical explorations. Diotima influenced two such great philosophers. Diotima subjects not only friendship but also love to serious scrutiny. He says that love means poverty and immense wealth at the same time. We are all looking for love. Can we seek something we don't have? So can it be said that those who seek love, beauty and romance are unloving, unattractive and unloving? Can love blossom in poverty? On the other hand, love fills this void. It gives love. Gives beauty. Gives mass. Makes the have-nots have everything. Brings pleasure and happiness. Then love is definitely wealth. Love is always poverty. It wanders without a place to stay. That's why we crave love from our loved ones. That's why we run after it aggressively and aggressively. At the same time love removes the absence and brings beauty and bliss. Diotima says that love is the child of both poverty and wealth. It is always flowing from one to another, he says. Love, beauty, happiness, love, friendship whatever you seek, you fly between poverty and wealth. You're looking for what you don't have. At the same time you are giving a part of yourself. Friendship can be exchanged like love can be exchanged. Let's exchange ideas. Ideas can be exchanged. Like love, a platonic relationship binds a man and a woman in a true relationship. This relationship unites those who are opposites. Starts a conversation by consolidating negative thoughts. This relationship fills the void. Sharing what is abundant with another. Balances contradictions and allows harmony to blossom. If such a relationship as Diotima dreams of is to occur between man and woman, the equality that Mary Ulstonecraft refers to must first be possible. Top-down conversations and exchanges only serve the needs of one party. A conversation is healthy only when both men and women stand on equal footing. Only then can dialogue begin and subsequent exchanges will be mutually beneficial and enjoyable for both. Equality must be the basis not only for love and friendship, but for all relationships between a man and a woman. How to live safely in a man's world? Not only outside the house, but also inside the house can not be without fear! Has the world been like this since the beginning? Is this how my mother and her grandmother and her grandmother ended up living in fear and hiding for generations? Should the women who come after me end up living like this? The Warlbiri tribal women living in Australia for centuries have struggled with these questions for a long time. They had strong reasons to fear men. Since time immemorial, men have been understood and associated with violence. The stories and examples that were told to them along the way helped to increase this understanding. Since men were the center of power, the fields of law, justice and family order were naturally under their control. They were responsible for correcting wrongs and punishing wrongdoers. Australian tribes Tribal men had some clear methods of punishing erring women. These are methods developed with the understanding that women cannot be made to understand anything by using violence. The body is scratched with a knife according to the fault committed. If the blood and pain are not enough, the knife is driven into the body even more forcefully. A spear can also be used instead of a knife. It helps with deep wounds. A popular custom was to throw a spear through the upper arms. It is also normal to remove a small portion of flesh from the body. It is not known what are the crimes committed by women who are punished differently. It is also unclear how it is decided when to scratch, when to cut, and especially when to throw a spear. The men of the tribe believe that by seeing the women under punishment, other women will not commit the same mistakes. Injuring is not enough, killing is better, There were those who thought that. The death penalty is carried out by brutally crushing the skull. The tribal women were shocked to see these tortures taking place before their eyes. They feared men because anyone could suffer these punishments at any time. It is impossible to live without making mistakes. There is no definite grammar of what is wrong. Even something so spontaneous and so natural that men get it so wrong. So mistakes cannot be avoided. If you want to escape from punishment, you must escape from men. What can be done? One day they accidentally discovered a great truth. A woman cannot escape men. But women can escape. They learned that our strength is greater if we join together rather than as separate beings. A woman can easily be dragged into the street by a man and can be scratched with a sword. But women cannot be made to do so. Not only males but also males hesitate when gathering in groups. When they tested this empirically, they were successful. Buoyed by this victory, they brought their strategy into a solid shape. They built a separate women's tent. Women who fear men are welcome here. This tent will provide protection to women who fear that they have made a mistake. Even those who have done wrong. Soon the tribal women built this tent as a structure. The tabernacle sheltered those who fled in fear of punishment. The beings who did not want to live in the human world began to live in groups in the tent. This construction was called by the name Jilimi. Men are not allowed inside or near this construction. Men have to avoid that route and take another round route if they have to go to a place through Jilimi. If it is the law of the male world that men can punish women as they please, the law of the female world is that men should not punish women. Men should respect women's laws just as women should respect men's laws. Men respected it. Jilimi began to grow. Women who have lost their husbands, abandoned women and those who have already been victims of violence occupy this tent. Married women also came here for some time and talked their hearts out, lived independently and then went home. Sick women and women from foreign lands took refuge in Jilimi. In other words, those who did not accept the world of men and those who were rejected by the world of men united in Jalimi. Women saw firsthand how weakness turns into strength as individuals gather into groups. The lost confidence was somewhat restored. That moment when they realized that if there is a world for men, there must also be a world for women. Love And Friendship Differences and Similarities We all have been faced with the highs and lows of love and friendship one time or another in our lives. Love and friendship can bring you a life full of contentment or a life full of sadness, there are many aspects to love and friendship. Love and friendship can be like a beautiful garden of flowers you really don’t have the words to describe the beauty. As you get closer, you will discover it comes with hidden thorns and thistles called covetousness, enviousness, resentment, and the green-eyed monster all of these decreases your love and friendship. We can argue love and friendship is what makes us compassionate, and love and friendship bring us together and creates happy memories. “When Love speaks, the voice of all the gods, Makes heaven drowsy with the harmony” (Shakespeare, Love Labor’s Lost). Love and friendship cover a multitude of faults it is the glue that keeps family and friends together, even though the love of many waxes cold.” Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks, but bears it out even to the edge of doom. If this be error and upon me proved, I never writ, nor no man ever loved” (Shakespeare, Sonnet 116). Love is a strong emotion. It is a wide array of feelings directed towards another person or object. It can pertain to personal attraction in the case of people in a romantic relationship and attachment in the case of family and friends. It is the foundation of interpersonal relationships that are built between family, friends, and partners. The Interplay of Love and Friendship in Relationships Love Speaks in the name of Friendship: Friendship is a feeling of love and affection of one person for another. This feeling of love must be reciprocated. Otherwise, friendship cannot be possible. Friendship does not exist where tastes, feelings and sentiments are not similar. The famous essayist Bacon has warned against the friendship between a very rich person and a very poor person. Economic disparity damages friendship. Thus, friendship is a feeling of affection between two likeminded persons of uniform status. It is said that a friendship in need is a friend in deed. There may be man friends at the time of prosperity. But most of them desert at the time of adversity. We can examine the sincerity of a friend during our time of hardship and trouble. Only a sincere and faithful friend remains with us at the time of our trouble. All others leave us. It is very painful when our friends turn traitors. Money is an enemy of friendship. Everybody has an attraction for money. When lending or borrowing of money is done between two friends, there is great risk. Friendship may be affected. So it is wise for true friends to avoid monetary transaction. Vanity is another element which breaks friendship. Everybody has self-respect. When a person tries to criticise his friend, their friendship is affected. So, friendship must be treated very delicately. Friendship is a special kind of love, more than true and more than endless. So if you have your friends, take care of them, and treat them like a treasure. A famous philosopher Euripides once said, “Friends show their love in times of trouble, not in happiness”. The presence of friends makes our life worthwhile but it is really difficult to write a good friend who will be with us in all the circumstances of life. Friendship is one of the most important and valuable things in our life. It measures a good person. A relationship is love and appreciation being shared between two people while at the same time they are indulging themselves in each other’s lives. A relationship is a connection between two individuals whether it is mother and child, male and female, or friend and friend. A relationship can be defined as something sacred, something meant to be shared between two people over a period of time. In the essay “On Friendship” written by Francine Du Plessix Gray she gives her perspective on the relationship between men and women. “Friendship is by its very nature freer of deceit than any other relationship we can know because it is least affected by striving for power, physical pleasure, or material profit most liberated from any oath of duty or of constancy” this is a quote from Francine Du Plessix Gray. She believed that there wasn’t any such thing as true love that with love you get a false sense of what’s real. Varying opinions and conflicting perspectives can quickly lead to disagreements and animosity between people. Historical Perspectives on Love and Friendship Close-Knit Loving Bond: Relationships and friendships have evolved significantly over the centuries. Quality of life was influenced by accepted practices related to theories of love and friendship. Exploring Medieval Europe and modern day approaches to relationships provide a clear illustration of how relationships have positively evolved over time. Theories of love and friendship have emerged from the early medieval period over 2000 years ago with notable theories from Plato and Aristotle. Plato was an ancient Greek Philosopher and pivotal figure in the history of western thought. Plato developed the idealist concepts of love theory and defined Eros. Two major psychological theorists on love and relationships today are Zick Rubin and Robert Sternberg. Zick Rubin, a modern day psychologist theorizes that love is made up of three different categories.A close-knit loving bond between two people can begin with a friendship. Whether it is a friendship between two males, two females, or one male and one female, these friendships will develop into love. In no way is it a romantic love, but this type of love connects and bonds friends. Friends may move away or friendships may wane, but the love between the two people burns on forever. Romantic love is a love that not every person will experience. It is a type of love that is not there at the beginning, but grows within the individual. When one finally finds the love they have been looking for, one cannot imagine life with anybody else. The Dynamics of Romantic and Platonic Love Love the Conqueror of All: Love, friendship, sympathy and likeness – these feelings are the brightest moments of our life. They become the source of joy and positive energy but can become the reason of big problems and disillusionment at the same time. It’s important to know the notions of these feelings and their characteristics to avoid possible mistakes. Very often lack of knowledge in this field can lead to misunderstandings and finally to poor or even tragic consequences. Sometimes people mix love and friendship or love and passion or sexual attraction. All these feelings are important and reflect different aspect of our life but not all of them are enough to create a family. For non-professional it’s hard to give appraisal of such notions as love and friendship. *Challenges in Distinguishing Love from Friendship* Professionals also don’t share common opinion on this subject. Bruce King in his book Human Sexuality Today compares love and friendship finding differences and similarities. Both feelings – love and friendship closely correlate and interact, as they possess a lot of common characteristics. First of all love and friendship is relationship, which requires time, effort and many other characteristics, which form mutual relationship. Both, love and friendship assume emotional involvement, care, respect and devotion. Both feelings undergo transformations with the flow of time and go through different stages. You can have several friends but situations of being in loving relationships with several people are very rare and are regarded rather like deviation, than something normal. This is one of the differences between love and friendship. Another incontestable difference between love and friendship is sexual attraction. Friendship usually doesn’t assume any sexual attraction at all and most forms of love (in the context of relationship between people who are in love) include sexual attraction. Love can be reciprocal or not, and in this field, it’s expressed more like an attitude. It’s hard to imagine reciprocal friendship. It either exists or not. Friendship is rather a relationship, which emerges on the joint of several spheres i.e. emotional, mental, and physical, etc. Like we could make sure, it’s hard to explain the notion of love or friendship. The Coexistence and Significance of Love and Friendship Love is an emotion or feeling in a relationship between two people. Love is directed to a family member, a friend, a significant other, a country, or an ideology. It involves a deeper level of attachment, which can be felt towards everyone without needing to establish any kind of relationship. A NEW ANGLE: உடுக்கை இழந்தவன் கைபோல ஆங்கே இடுக்கண் களைவதாம் = நட்பு ஆனால், தானே உடுக்கையாய் மாறி விட்டால்??? = காதல்! Udukkai izhandavan kai pole aangu Idukkan kalaivathaam natpu tirukkural While giving the dress is friendship, self becoming the dress is LOVE. ஆடையை இழக்கும் போது, துளியும் தாமதிக்காமல், கை, தாமே சென்று ஆடையைப் பற்றும் அல்லவா? ஐயோ! அவனுக்கு ஆடை கொடுப்போம் என்ற வரை நினைப்பது = நட்பு! Covering the shame is friendship; undressing is love. கொஞ்சம் மணித்துளி வித்தியாசமாச்சும் தேவைப்படும் ஆடை கொடுக்க! அந்தக் கொஞ்சம் மணித்துளி கூடத் தாங்க மாட்டாது.... ஐயோ! அவனுக்கு ஆடை போகிறதே என்ற மாத்திரத்தில், தன்னையும் அறியாமல், ஓடிச் சென்று... அவனுக்கே ஆடையாகி விட்டால்??? நட்பு -> காதல் ஆவது இங்கே தான்! இரண்டுமே இடுக்கண் களைவது தான்! ஆனால் * ஆடை கொடுப்பது = நட்பு Giving the dress is friendship * ஆடை ஆவது = காதல் becoming oneself as dress is Love Both are developments and may not be the same; there are lines drawn. K Rajaram IRS 21124 On Sat, 2 Nov 2024 at 04:32, Jambunathan Iyer <[email protected]> wrote: > “Love is friendship that has caught fire. It is quiet understanding, > mutual confidence, sharing, and forgiving. It is loyalty through good and > bad times. It settles for less than perfection and makes allowances for > human weaknesses.” > > N Jambunathan Rengarajapuram-Kodambakkam-Chennai-Mob:9176159004 > > *" What you get by achieving your goals is not as important as what you > become by achieving your goals. If you want to live a happy life, tie it to > a goal, not to people or things "* > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZoo18nNW%2BT9Q0SiQMCLntbm0wQiep%3D5nUAoHABF8KY0jXg%40mail.gmail.com.
