Thank you Sri Sai. Gracious of you to have said what you said. Hereafter I will cc the messages separately without disclosing it was sent to iyer group.
Sir, one of the main reasons I post my messages is to let people be aware of the evil designs of some of our politicians in degrading our religion and motherland. The messages I post find no place in the popular media and appear only on websites like OpIndia etc. which I circulate for wider dissemination My posts fwding these messages and my comments like the one I made on Brig Dalvi are meant to let people realize how M K Gandhi and the Nehru family have nearly destroyed Hinduism and Bharat by making us timid and cowardly and to show the other cheek always. We need to develop the spine to fight back and give right back Alas, Modi is also trying to be sickular by dillydallying on important issues like the Wakf Board by turning a blind eye for over 10 years and we still have no uniform civil code - just to sight a few cases. When will the Wakf Bill see the light of the day is a million dollar question, stuck as it is in the JPC. But unfortunately, our own people either don't care or are totally indifferent to these burning issues thinking they are safe. One need not wait to learn from personal experience by which time it will be too late. Kind regards N Sekar On Wed, Jan 8, 2025, 6:23 AM Indian R <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you very much Shri Narayanaswamy Sekar. > > Also, I apologise for having written to the entire group. I should have > written to you directly. > > The problem is, I view these messages on the group web site. When I > respond from there, the message is posted to the group. I'll try to keep it > in mind for future postings. > > Again - extremely sorry about that. > > Sai > > On Monday, January 6, 2025 at 9:28:38 PM UTC-5 Narayanaswamy Sekar wrote: > >> Ok, thanks. >> Will not do it in future. >> >> N Sekar >> >> On Tue, Jan 7, 2025, 3:11 AM Indian R <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Shri Narayanaswamy Sekar, >>> >>> I thought that I had warned everyone AGAINST cross posting any messages >>> between iyer123 and any other sites. >>> >>> Could you PLEASE MAKE SURE that your CC list does not contain any email >>> addresses, and that if you are responding to something posted from iyer123, >>> you ACTIVELY REMOVE other email addresses from there so as to prevent >>> dragging us into the gutter along with the other groups? >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Sai - your humble and miserable moderator from iyer123. >>> >>> On Thursday, January 2, 2025 at 12:41:31 AM UTC-5 Narayanaswamy Sekar >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: Narayanaswamy Sekar <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Thu, Jan 2, 2025, 11:10 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [iyer123] Fw: Fwd: Snippets from Sitendra Kumar - 1962 War >>>> To: Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: Ranganathan <[email protected]>, Chittanandam V R < >>>> [email protected]>, YM <[email protected]>, Dr Sundar < >>>> [email protected]>, Mani APS <[email protected]>, venkat raman < >>>> [email protected]>, Ravi mahajan <[email protected]>, Venkat Giri < >>>> [email protected]>, SRIRAMAJAYAM <[email protected]>, Rama < >>>> [email protected]>, Rangarajan T.N.C. <[email protected]>, Mathangi >>>> K. Kumar <[email protected]>, Srinivasan Sridharan < >>>> [email protected]>, Gopala Krishnan <[email protected]>, Sanathana >>>> group <[email protected]>, Kerala Iyer < >>>> [email protected]>, Jambunathan Iyer <[email protected]>, >>>> Patty Thatha <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't know how many in the group have read those books particularly >>>> of Brig. Dalvi as he is forthright in expressing his thoughts. He was >>>> captured by the Chinese and was a POW for sometime before he was released >>>> by them as part of the negotiated settlement. >>>> >>>> I read it more than 4 decades back and have a faint recollection of >>>> some incidents which I will try to recapture and write here. >>>> >>>> He says that when he was captured, the Chinese Commanding Officer, >>>> whose prisoner Brig. Dalvi was, told him that what infuriated the Chinese >>>> was Nehru's irresponsible remark, ( I think he said it at the airport while >>>> leaving for some official trip) that he has asked the Army to " throw out >>>> the Chinese". >>>> The proud Chinese took exception to this remark and wanted to teach a >>>> lesson to Nehru to show they can't be thrown out just like that. >>>> A careless and arrogant remark resulted in the Chinese feeling strongly >>>> to teach a lesson to Nehru and we paid the price, according to his book. >>>> >>>> Gen Chaudhary I think, asked Dalvi to submit a report on his and his >>>> troops capture and insultingly remarked (to Dalvi) so that we can learn " >>>> how not to hand over a battalion to the enemy". >>>> >>>> To this Dalvi days he gave a fitting written report recalling how we >>>> were totally unprepared, lacked arms and ammunition and even proper boots. >>>> In that Chapter Dalvi says that his report must have touched some raw >>>> nerves because he never heard anything from his General thereafter. >>>> >>>> It was a total misadventure and if people recall, Sardar Patel had >>>> cautioned Nehru not to trust the chinese and get too close to them - this >>>> was immediately after independence, at least a decade earlier before the >>>> actual war. >>>> >>>> As usual Nehru ignored this sagely advice and the Nation had to pay a >>>> heavy price for his innumerable follies, including Kashmir. >>>> >>>> Yet there are people in this country who can see, hear and speak no >>>> wrong of that person. We did not deserve Patel and got what we deserved and >>>> have paid a heavy price. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2025, 10:16 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I read it and I know why as a military man could not >>>>> write the open sequential reasons; our Indian army, if given >>>>> independent powers to decode, we do not have a better army than that. Too >>>>> much intervention by the Indian dynasty rulers. Grandfather wanted them >>>>> to >>>>> drive away only and no victory of conquering the territory. How much >>>>> fairness can be practiced in the war field? IN LOVE AND WAR THERE IS >>>>> NOTHING KNOWN AS FAIRNESS. So we lost and not the General. The grandson in >>>>> Sri Lanka did the same.IPKF. Intelligence gathering is interwoven with >>>>> political interference. Serving Govt is tough; serving as senior officer >>>>> with the govt is still tougher; and sp service without power is a piece of >>>>> the toughest career. K R IRS 2125 >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 at 22:09, 'N Sekar' via iyer123 < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer >>>>>> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=US_Acquisition_YMktg_315_SearchOrgConquer_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=US_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100002039&af_sub5=C01_Email_Static_&af_ios_store_cpp=0c38e4b0-a27e-40f9-a211-f4e2de32ab91&af_android_url=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail&listing=search_organize_conquer> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >>>>>> *From:* "N Sekar" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Cc:* "Kerala Iyer" <[email protected]>, "Rangarajan T.N.C." >>>>>> <[email protected]>, "Mathangi K. Kumar" <[email protected]>, >>>>>> "Narayanaswamy Sekar" <[email protected]>, "Suryanarayana >>>>>> Ambadipudi" <[email protected]>, "Srinivasan Sridharan" < >>>>>> [email protected]>, "Rama (Iyer 123 Group)" <[email protected]>, >>>>>> "Dr Sundar" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Sent:* Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 9:35 PM >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Snippets from Sitendra Kumar - 1962 War >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of these I liked The Himalayan Blunder by Brig. Dalvi the most. >>>>>> It must have ruffled many feathers. He himself says so in one chapter. >>>>>> >>>>>> Total lack of political leadership or should I say abdication by the >>>>>> political bosses was the chief reason. >>>>>> >>>>>> We somehow as a Nation can't tolerate criticisms of the leadership >>>>>> particularly of the Nehru family which nearly destroyed Bharat and >>>>>> Hindus. >>>>>> Dalvi exposes those blunders. >>>>>> >>>>>> If we refuse to face facts and bury them under the carpet, we will >>>>>> never learn from our mistakes and blunders. A confident Nation should >>>>>> have >>>>>> the courage to face facts and where necessary, take remedial action. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> N Sekar >>>>>> >>>>>> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer >>>>>> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=US_Acquisition_YMktg_315_SearchOrgConquer_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=US_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100002039&af_sub5=C01_Email_Static_&af_ios_store_cpp=0c38e4b0-a27e-40f9-a211-f4e2de32ab91&af_android_url=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail&listing=search_organize_conquer> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 8:08 PM, Chittanandam V R >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> *Received from Shri Sitendra Kumar* >>>>>> >>>>>> * A taste of censorship during 1962 war* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Kulbir Singh* >>>>>> >>>>>> *IN October 1962, I was studying in Class III in my village school. >>>>>> My father was in the Army. With the outbreak of tensions at the >>>>>> India-China >>>>>> border, 9 Punjab Regiment was moved from Secunderabad to Tawang in >>>>>> Arunachal Pradesh, then called NEFA (North East Frontier Agency). My >>>>>> family >>>>>> became anxious on learning that my father had been sent to the war zone.* >>>>>> >>>>>> *In those days, the only source of news in the village was a >>>>>> panchayat radio. The antenna was a wire mesh tied and spread between >>>>>> poles >>>>>> on the rooftop. The speaker was strapped on a long bamboo pole to make >>>>>> the >>>>>> sound audible to as many listeners as possible. As there was no supply of >>>>>> electricity in our area, the radio operated on a dry battery for the >>>>>> morning and evening news.* >>>>>> *My family would listen to the war updates as we had hardly received >>>>>> any letter from my father in recent weeks. The post office was 3 km away >>>>>> in >>>>>> the adjoining village. The postman would visit our village only when he >>>>>> had >>>>>> letters to deliver. My mother wanted me to go to the post office daily >>>>>> after school. The foot track to that village was narrow and mostly >>>>>> remained >>>>>> secluded. There was tall and dense vegetation all along. After school, I >>>>>> would run to the post office.* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Most of the times, the postman would give a dejected look from a >>>>>> distance. Once in a while, there was a letter for me. I would immediately >>>>>> open it and try to read it, but found many lines blackened and the text >>>>>> unreadable. I would ask the postman why some lines had been blackened; he >>>>>> would tell me that the letter had been censored by the Army. Any >>>>>> war-related information considered sensitive by the military authorities >>>>>> was blackened; this process was called censorship. That is how I, a >>>>>> village >>>>>> lad, learnt the meaning of ‘censor’. I would run back home with a sense >>>>>> of >>>>>> achievement. The family would feel elated on getting some news about my >>>>>> father.* >>>>>> >>>>>> *My grandfather, who served in the British Indian Army, would >>>>>> celebrate with drinks in the evening. All these incidents got etched in >>>>>> my >>>>>> memory. I got obsessed with the 1962 war and wanted to know more about >>>>>> it. >>>>>> I read The Untold Story by Lt Gen BM Kaul while I was studying in Class >>>>>> XII. While reading it, I would try to corroborate its contents with what >>>>>> my >>>>>> father had told me. Later, during my career in the CRPF, I read >>>>>> 'Himalayan >>>>>> Blunder' by Brig JP Dalvi, 'India’s China War' by Neville Maxwell and >>>>>> '1962: The War That Wasn’t' by Shiv Kunal Verma.* >>>>>> *I had long discussions with my dad, who would aptly sum up the >>>>>> reasons for India’s defeat — unpreparedness, an inadequate and outdated >>>>>> weapon system, troops ill-equipped for the severe winter, a lack of road >>>>>> infrastructure and, most importantly, the failure of the military and >>>>>> political leadership.* >>>>>> *-- Kulbir Singh* >>>>>> ******************************** >>>>>> *Chittanandam* >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> To go to your groups page on the web, login to your gmail account and >>>>>> then click on https://groups.google.com/ >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "iyer123" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/274139649.7334004.1735747570191%40mail.yahoo.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/274139649.7334004.1735747570191%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZoqmc9bVWm%2BVOTFUuJDp7ExV8YvQB0qHEBM%2Bs0_u7JtSnA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZoqmc9bVWm%2BVOTFUuJDp7ExV8YvQB0qHEBM%2Bs0_u7JtSnA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>> To go to your groups page on the web, login to your gmail account and >>> then click on https://groups.google.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "iyer123" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> >> To view this discussion visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/1167ed3e-61be-4c4d-ae75-b5fe7d6ce3cdn%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/1167ed3e-61be-4c4d-ae75-b5fe7d6ce3cdn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- > To go to your groups page on the web, login to your gmail account and then > click on https://groups.google.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "iyer123" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/07982960-cecf-455e-83cc-e11121698356n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/07982960-cecf-455e-83cc-e11121698356n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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