Mr Rajaram,
Do you know the age of respected Mr Narayanaswamy? He is about 90 only. You
forget you are about 80. Please stop personal attacks.
I know very well any response correcting you is not accepted by you. You abuse
those who correct you. It is irrespective of the subjects.
The members of Kerala iyer group will laugh at you, a person claim to be U P S
C selected and trained in discipline write in this manner.
I know your response will be -"Pota Gopala". You never change your abusing
nature.Gopalakrishnan
On Monday, 10 February 2025 at 02:56:45 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
<[email protected]> wrote:
Nandru. A few days back only I wrote about that person from the sincity,
who did not or could not distinguish, between the chekku and sivalingam; today
he revealed it; Mahabharatham spoke about it, and so it is great; and bereft of
knowhow pattis of hisplace may not know better than chukkumilagutippili is
evident. Also I wrote about the Psychological factors of these people who
behave awkwardly. When a 98 loses his balance where his bluffings are blown,
it is natural, one can expect only such write ups. Of Course he is a redundant
recluse or a loose Lets forgive him. Have a nice time C.M R IRS 10225
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 at 13:31, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear folks
What is so special about "Ganga jalam Keshava naari ketu" being split into
"Gangaja lamkesha vana ari ketu"?
For centuries, Brahmin women living in Palakkaad have been circulating the joke
of the mother-in-law ordering her newly-wed daughter-in-law to go to the
provision shop nearby and buy three items. She wrote the items down as
"chukkumulakuthippili".
The daughter-in-law went to the shop and read out the items she needed for her
mother-in-law as "chukkumu, lakuthip, pili."
The shopkeeper could not make head or tail of what the young lady wanted. So
he called his grand-daughter who was studying in Standard IV.
The child took one look, and promptly translated the shopping list correctly.
When I was in Std.IV in pre-war Malaya, the class teacher wrote on the
blackboard the expression:-
THAT THAT IS IS THAT THAT IS NOT IS NOT IS NOT THAT IT
and asked us what that meant.
A young Chettiar lad in the class went up boldly and punctuated it, as follows:-
THAT, THAT IS, IS; THAT, THAT IS NOT, IS NOT; IS NOT THAT IT?
We all clapped.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 11:07 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
wrote:
Ganga jalam Keshava naariketu
Mahabharat is amassive work in the Sanskrit language. It is the biography
of the Pandavabrothers. Vyasa, the composer of this work, sought a scribe who
could keep pacewith the speed of his dictation. Ganesh, the Deva of the
intellect, agreed tobe the scribe. However, he placed one condition. Per this
condition, Vyasa hadto dictate at the speed of Ganesh’s writing. Vyasa
countered this with anothercondition. Ganesh could scribe a verse only after
fully understanding it. As aresult, Vyasa composed the Mahabharat in chunks of
a few hundred verses. Hedictated a verse with a “knot, a difficult to
understand verse at the end ofeach chunk. This forced Ganesh had to pause and
understand the verse. Vyasathus mentally began composing the next chunk.
Surely, anyone who knowsMahabharat also knows about the “knots” in the text.
The narratorquoted a sensible looking sentence from Vyasa’s Mahabharat
It reads गङ्गा जलं केशव नारि केतु(Ganga jalam Keshava naari ketu). Everyword
in this sentence is meaningful. The sentence makes no sense despite thesentence
being syntactically correct. The word boundaries have to be changed
tounderstand the meaning of the line. This knot definitely forces a reader
topause.
PitamahaBhishma standing by his side responds, in Vyasa’s words:
‘Gangajalam keshava naari ketu’
Four words totally unrelated to each other! What sense tomake out of them?
Gangajalam = water of River Ganges; keshava = a name givento god Vishnu; naari
= woman; ketu = a planetary god.
Of course, Vinayaka figured it out not before giving Vyasaa much-needed
respite. Here’s how:
Ganga ja: One Ganges gave birth to = Bhishma;
lam kesha = lankesha = Ravana, King of Lanka;
vana ari = one who destroyed the vana (Ashoka vana whereSita was held captive)
ketu = flag;
Now it reads as: Bhishma (said): It’s one who has on hisflag one who destroyed
Ravana’s vana = It’s one who has Aanjaneya on his flag =Arjuna.
So it was Arjuna ona chariot driven by the young prince of Virata!
Vyasainserted knots in his Mahabharat to slow slow down Ganesh who
had the role of ascribe.
Vyasa inserted knots in his text to make a reader pauseand think
Similarity between Vyasa and the Siddhars
Siddhars wrote their works in the Tamil language. Theyborrowed the idea of a
knot from Vyasa’s Mahabharat and used them generously.In fact, One finds very
few sentences in Siddhar texts without a knot, Firstly,a translator must locate
meaningful word boundaries. In other words, he mustuntie knots in the Siddhar
text. Secondly, he must locate words which Siddharsconsider to be technical
terms. Such words conventionally mean one thing butsomething different in
Siddhar texts. Siddhar texts describe a) pharmacopeiapreparations, b) ideas
related to sorcery, and c) descriptions of spiritualtechniques. Therefore, many
words can take a contextual meaning based on thedomain of knowledge. Siddhar
Agasthiyar composed a text which explains suchidiosyncrasies in Siddhar texts.
It hadfun discovering a few such idiosyncrasies while translating Agasthiyars
text.
K Rajaram IRS 10225
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From: Srinivasan Sridharan <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 at 22:29
Subject: Fwd: Maha Bharatha (4)
To: Patty Thatha <[email protected]>, Gopalakrishnan V
<[email protected]>, Devarajan Subramaniam <[email protected]>
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
From: Srinivasan Sridharan <[email protected]>
Date: February 9, 2025 at 8:57:52 AM PST
To: Srinivasan Sridharan <[email protected]>
Subject: Maha Bharatha (4)
This is the final section! If it is required by you , i would be glad to give
the hidden meaning aswel!
Sridharan
Sage Dhrona said loudly,
GANGA. JAlAN. KESAVA NAARI KETHU.
None in the Kaurava army except
Pithamaha. Bheeshma understood the hidden meaning!
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