So you as Narayanasamy ran away from my challenge also you ran away without writing about "NOWADAYS DIFFERENT THINKING"? I KNOW HOW IS AN IDIOT CAN? Mouthrifters are named as Goebbels. And what is wrong with the nation spell? Eyesight is also gone? You people abuse me and then revert it as if? KR IRS 12225
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 at 10:18, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: > Zero know how is Mr Rajaram. Mind your words and abusing. Have you no > other work other than abusing me and Mr Narayanaswamy? > Gopalakrishnan > > On Wednesday, 12 February 2025 at 08:16:59 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Oldy says certainly not-Neti neti; another zero knowhow writes yes Kollam > Hindus do; Paramartha guru sishya comedy keeps producing their > individual foolishness, while accusing the rest. People living in Singapore > said to be a liar sorry lawyers, and hold positions (reel or real?), and > cannot understand the only famous festival there, where all jATIS > PARTICIPATE. What to do? Back boneless members if do exist ,unconcerned > about anything do exist, vikatan is a sanda prasandan only. K Rajaram IRS > 12225 > > On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 at 07:15, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Respected sir, > > Here are my two lines. Especially Hindus from Kollam area in in south > Kerala wearing yellow dress either carrying kavadi or simply visit Palani > temple during auspicious days for lord Muruga like Thaipoosam or > Thrikarthika. > Gopalakrishnan > > On Tuesday, 11 February 2025 at 07:50:08 pm IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Dear folks > > As expected, uneducated, unschooled group in a pariah vagrant canine K > Rajaram ex-IRS 11225 knows nothing about anything. Therefore it comes as > no surprise that he knocks himself in both eyes and turns irrevocably blind > when he proclaims like a cockerel from the top of the hen-coop:- > > *Thaipusam is a temple festival celebrated by Hindus of Tamil descent in > Singapore.* > > It certainly is NOT. > > The holy occasion is normally celebrated quietly AT HOME with their > families by pious Hindus including Brahmins in Singapore. > > Only when someone in the family has taken a vow to carry a paal-kudam or a > paal-kaavadi to a Subrahmanya-svaami temple does anyone do so in a group in > arocession. > > Even then, the non-Brahmins do not chant or shout, "*Vel, vel, kavadi*”. > They chant, "vel, vel vadi-vel, > vel, vel, vethri-vel" reflecting the fact the Lord also carries a "vadi", > i.e. a staff, or dandam, in addition to > the spear, and that the spear is a victorious one. The chettiars now call > their temple the Dandaayutha- > paani Temple, meaning the temple to the Lord who carries a monk's staff as > a weapon. > > The Brahmins chant solemnly, "Haro hara, haro hara!" reflecting that the > Lord Subrahmanya is the second son of Hara, the Lord Shiva. > > The devotees carrying paal-kudams and paal-kaavadis from the Perumaal > Temple at Serangoon Road to the Chettiars' Temple at Tank did NOT stop only > at the Orchard Road Sivan Temple on their way. > > They started with a karppoora haraathi at the Vinaayakar shrine within the > Perumaal Temple, then wound their way along Serangoon Road till they came > to the Veerammaa Kaaliamman Temple, where they paid their respects to the > Goddess there, then proceeded to the Sivan Temple in Orchard Road where > they circumambulated the shrine and offered karppoora aaraadhanai to the > deity, they then walked to the Tank Road Temple. (Nowadays they skip the > Sivan Temple, which has shifted to Geylang near a Buddhist Temple and a > Muslim Mosque.) > > The yajur-veda samhitha DOES NOT say, as misquoted by the illiterate > pariah canine Rajaram ex-IRS:- > > "*pūṣā prapiṣṭabhāgo adantako hityādi śrutiṣu*" > > What it says is:- > > "*pooshaa praashya datho arunath thasmaath pooshaa pipishtabhaago > adanthako hi tham deva abruvan vi vaa ayamaardhya praashithriyo va > ayamabhoodithi*" > (T S 2.6.8.5.) > > Brahmins do no perform any kaavadi-aattam or ceremonial dance during > thaippoosam. Only non-Brahmins pierce themselves with sharpened steel > spikes all over their bodies, and also carry mini-shrines depicting the > god. And do a dance before the deity in the temple. > > Incidentally, paak-kudams and paal-kaavadis are also carried by vowed > devotees to Subrahmanya-swaami temples during Panguni Uththaram, which > occurs about two months after thaippoosam. > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 2:32 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > 1 Tai Pusam.—The Hindu festival, which goes by the name “Tai Pusam”, > is observed on the day over which the asterism Pushya (cancri) presides, in > the Tamil month of Tai corresponding to the English months > January–February. The day generally falls on the full-moon day of the > month. The planet Brihaspati or Guru (Jupiter) is said to be the presiding > deity of the asterism ‘Pushya’ and consequently worship offered to the > asterism Pushya is considered to have special merit, since Brihaspati > symbolises wisdom and the Hindus consider him to be the preceptor of the > Gods, and one of the most important of the seven planets if not the > important planet. A bath in a sacred river on this day is considered to be > very meritorious and people of all sorts, both men and women, young and > old, flock to the nearest one for the purpose. The place called > Tiruvidaimarudur in the Tanjore District is one of the important places > where this festival is celebrated. > > 2 Thaipusam or Thaipoosam is a festival celebrated by the Tamil > community on the full moon in the Tamil month of Thai (January/February). > The festival commemorates the occasion when Parvati gave Murugan a Vel > "spear" so he could vanquish the evil demon Soorapadman (Śūrapadmā). The > word *Thaipusam* is a combination of the name of the month, *Thai*, and > the name of a star, *Pusam*. This particular star is at its highest point > during the festival. > > 3 For instance a inscription of Vijayanagar regent Saluva > Narasingaraya Udaiyar issued in the Saka era 1388 (A.D.1466) on the 9th day > of Markazhi month in the Sri Viya year is found on the north side wall of > the cella of the Adavalleswarar temple. Further the record registers a gift > of land for the celebration of the Annual festivals in the month of > Chittirai and Thai Pusam for the maintenance of flower garden Nandavanam > for flower offerings to the Presiding deity. The record also states that > the administrative officials viz. Thammarasar, Anmarasar and Aravasaram > were existed during the Vijayanagar rule. > > 4 Thaipusam is a temple festival celebrated by Hindus of Tamil > descent in Singapore. > > 1 It is probably the single most important public rite observed by the > community every year between January 14 and February 14. > > 2 Most Hindu festivals fall either on full-moon day (Punarpusam) or on > new-moon day (Amavasi). > > 3 “Thai Pusam” occurs on the full moon day in the Tamil month, Thai > (January–February). > > 4 Thaipusam is actually derived from thai which means “10th”, and pusam > meaning “when the moon is at its brightest”. > > 5 It is thus celebrated in the month of Thai (10th month according to the > Tamil Almanac) on the day when the moon passes through the star “Pusam”. > > 6 Thaipusam is a day of prayers and penance. > > 7 Dedicated to Lord Subramaniam, also known as Lord Murugan, > > 8 a major South Indian god, > > 9 the deity of youth, power and virtue, this festival is a time for > repentance for devotees with celebrations carried out mainly at the temple. > > 5 Preparations > > Preparations for Thaipusam start months in advance. But the conditioning > of the body and mind is done about a week before the festival itself. > > 10 Devotees prepare themselves spiritually with extensive prayer and > fasting before performing acts of penance or thanksgiving like carrying a > kavadi. The basic kavadi consists of a short wooden pole surmounted by a > wooden arch, decorated with peacock feathers (symbolic of Murugan, as the > peacock is his mascot), margosa leaves and other materials. > > 11 Often, sharp skewers are pierced through the tongues, cheeks and bodies > of kavadi-bearers as a practice of self-mortification. > > 12 Women, on the other hand, carry vessels with offerings that include > fruits, flowers and pots of milk. > > 13 Thaipusam was a public holiday in Singapore until 1968 > > 14 when Bill No. 33/68 was effected in the Holidays (Amendment) Act, 1968. > > 15 This change was made in consultation with the Hindu Advisory Board. > > 6 Legend > > This Hindu festival commemorates the feats of the Hindu deity, Lord > Subramaniam, son of Lord Siva and Goddess Sakti. According to the Hindu > mythological book, “Skanda Purana,” Thaipusam was the day when Lord > Subramaniam appeared before his devotees mounted on a peacock which has > come to be known as his “vahana”’ or vehicle. It also acknowledges > Subramaniam’s triumph over the evil forces. According to the legend, devas > or celestial beings at one time were so plagued by asura, or demons, that > they pleaded with Lord Siva, to help them. Touched by their pleas, Lord > Siva sent his son Subramaniam to conquer the asuras. After accomplishing > this task, the victorious Subramaniam was believed to have appeared before > his devotees. In the vision, he was bedecked with brilliant jewels, armed > with a golden spear and seated on a chariot Thus, on Thaipusam day, Lord > Subramaniam’s image, adorned and decorated, is placed on a silver chariot > before his devotees. This is then taken in a procession. Besides being > acknowledged as a symbol of bravery, power, virtue, and beauty, the Hindus > believe that Lord Subramaniam is also the universal dispenser of favours. > Hence, some who have made vows and pledges to Lord Subramaniam prove their > gratitude to him by undergoing self-mortification on Thaipusam day. > Penitents in fulfilment of vows carry the kavadi. > > 7 Rites, rituals and sacrifices > > The most popular form of sacrifice is the carrying of the kavadi which > means “sacrifice at every step”. It is the kavadi that identifies the > festival of Thaipusam. Legend has it that Iduban, a devotee of Lord > Subramaniam, carried an offering which so pleased him that he showered his > people with good fortune. The burden carried by Iduban has passed down in > the form of the kavadi. Devotees carry the kavadis to ask for forgiveness, > keep a vow or offer thanks to Lord Subramaniam. The symbolism of carrying > the kavadi originates from a myth where the kavadi represents a mountain > with Lord Subramaniam at its apex. The smaller, semi-circular kavadi is a > steel or D-shaped wooden frame with bars for support on the shoulders, > normally decorated with flowers and peacock feathers. Other forms of > sacrifice include piercing silver pins through the cheek and tongue and > pricking the body with hooks and spear-like needles. The piercing of flesh > in connection with carrying kavadi is central to Thaipusam as the rite is > understood in Singapore. It is closely associated with the Hindu concepts > of ritual purity and pollution. A kavadi carrier can have as many as 100 > spears piercing his flesh, but apparently loses little blood, sustained by > faith in a trancelike state. The devotees who intend to perform the > sacrifice are customarily required to observe strict physical and mental > discipline. Throughout the tenth month of Thai, purification of the body is > a necessity. This includes taking just one vegetarian meal a day, and > sexual abstinence. In addition, a 24-hour fast is observed on the eve of > Thaipusam. Most women devotees carry a pot of milk called a palkuddam. The > milk is poured over the statue of Lord Subramaniam at the end of the > procession. Those who take part are usually individuals who have asked the > deity for a favour. In return, they vow to undergo the ritual test of > physical and spiritual endurance. Apart from those who go to the temples on > Thaipusam day to fulfil their vows and to do penance, there are others who > go with their families to offer prayers and to seek spiritual solace. > > 8 The procession > > The deeply religious festival is a spectacular sight largely because of > the colourful procession of bare-footed devotees carrying the kavadi along > public roads. The Hindu Endowments Board helps to organise the annual > ceremony. For years in Singapore, the traditional route for kavadi bearers > has been from Sri Srinivasa Perumal Temple at Serangoon Road to Tank Road. > Thousands gathered and crowded the temple grounds by midnight. The kavadi > carriers, together with their relatives, friends and well-wishers, > congregate here in the morning to participate in the three- to > four-kilometre procession to their final destination at the Sri > Thandayuthapani Temple, commonly known as the Murugan Temple or Chettiar’s > Temple. The 136-year-old temple is an establishment belonging to the > Nattukottai Chettiar community, a caste of merchants and moneylenders. The > kavadi procession starts as early as 4am. Leaving at intervals of 15 > minutes, the last kavadi group leaves at 7.30pm. The devotees used to stop > for a while in front of the Sivan Temple in Orchard to pay homage to Lord > Siva. The Sri Sivan Temple has since been relocated on Serangoon Road, and > the half-way halt was not required. Instead, arrangements were made for > them to pay their homage to Lord Siva before they start the procession. All > along the way, devotees chant hymns in praise of the deity. The celebrants > following the procession chant “Vel, vel, kavadi”. The belief is that Lord > Murugan was given an invincible spear, “Vel”, which he used successfully to > overcome the demons. The arrival of the kavadi carriers at the Murugan > Temple at Tank Road marks the accomplishment of their task. A mixture of > fruits and honey is prepared and distributed among the devotees. Thousands > of poor are fed for three days in the temple precincts. A ceremony is > commonly held in the devotee’s home thereafter. A domestic worship of > Murugan is performed followed by a festive meal served to family and > friends. > > 9 “Thaipusam in Singapore,” Singapore Free Press and Mercantile > Advertiser (1884–1942), 10 February 1933, 8. (From NewspaperSG) > > “Thaipusam As Public Holiday: MOM Replies,” Ministry of Manpower, last > retrieved 13 May 2016. > > Singapore. Parliament, Holiday (Amendment) Bill 1968, Bill 22 of 1968, > Parliamentary Debates: Official Report, 11 July 1968. (Call no. RSING > 328.5957 SIN) > > Ministry of Information and the Art, “Statement from the Prime Minister’s > Office,” press release, 9 June 1968. (From National Archives of Singapore > document no. lky19680609) > > “Day of Homage and Ritual for Hindus.” > > 10 Meaning of Thai Poosam or Thaipusam On this day, Mother Goddess > Parvati gave him this divine weapon to safeguard the world. Lord Muruga > used a symbol of light and wisdom called the “Vel” to get rid of all the > bad guys and get the universe back to being peaceful and in balance. The > evil forces that were afflicting humans and all of the sages in Trilok, or > three different universes, were defeated by Lord Muruga. The ego, > attachment, and hatred that plague humans are compared to the three Asuras. > Muruga showers people with divine grace to assist them in overcoming > challenges. This is a day of insight and wisdom. This day is observed as a > day of prayer for intelligence and knowledge. In this day and age, > knowledge and education are a great way to rise to great prominence and > fame. The divine “Vel” is a powerful amulet. They receive tremendous > protection against destruction and evil by opening to Lord Muruga’s Vel. > Lord does a great job of eradicating negative spirits, allowing people to > become more open-minded and consider everyone as part of their family. It > brings tranquillity and peace to life. Those who struggle with > relationships with family members will be able to overcome these obstacles. > They are assisted in reuniting with the family by Lord Muruga. > > 11 Rig Veda 4.30.24 > > वा॒मंवा॑मं त आदुरे दे॒वो द॑दात्वर्य॒मा । वा॒मं पू॒षा वा॒मं भगो॑ वा॒मं > दे॒वः करू॑ळती ॥ > > वामंवामं त आदुरे देवो ददात्वर्यमा । वामं पूषा वामं भगो वामं देवः करूळती ॥ > > vāmaṃ-vāmaṃ ta ādure devo dadātv aryamā | vāmam pūṣā vāmam bhago vāmaṃ > devaḥ karūḻatī || > > “Destroyer of foes, may the divine Aryaman distribute your precious > wealth; (may) Pūṣa (bestow it), (may), Bhaga (bestow it); may the toothless > deity bestow the desired wealth.” > > Commentary by Sāyaṇa: Ṛgveda-bhāṣya > > The text has: vāmam pūṣā vāmam bhago vāmam devaḥ karūḷatī: the triple > repetition of vāma, vananīyam, dhanam would seem to separate not only > Bhaga, but Karu.latī from Pūṣan; > > Karūḷatī = kṛttadanta or adantaka, the broken-toothed, or toothless, this > term seems to apply to Pūṣan; the legend: pūṣā prapiṣṭabhāgo adantako > hityādi śrutiṣu (Taittirīya Saṃhitā 2.6.8.5); Viṣṇu Purāṇa, 67 has Pūṣan > whose teeth were knocked out by Vīrabhadra's followers at Dakṣa's sacrifice > > pūṣā < pūṣan “Pushan; pūṣan [word]; sun.” THAI POOSAM WHEN SUN TRAVELS > TOWARDS NORTH. > > 12 It is a national holiday in many countries like Malaysia, Sri > Lanka, Mauritius and Fiji. In Singapore, it was a national holiday once but > it was removed from Singapore holidays. In Fiji, Thaipusam is not > officially declared as a national holiday, while in certain states of > Malaysia and in the nations of Sri Lanka and Mauritius it is a government > and a bank holiday. > > The word Thaipusam is a combination of the name of the month, Thai, and > the name of a star, Pusam. This particular star is at its highest point > during the festival. The festival commemorates the occasion when Parvati > gave Murugan a Vel "spear" so he could vanquish the evil demon Soorapadman. > It is commonly believed that Thaipusam marks Murugan's birthday; Some other > sources suggest that Vaikhasi Vishakam, which falls in the Vaikhasi month > (May/June), is Murugan's birthday > > 13 According to Skanda Puranam, the legend of Murugan, and Thirupugal > which are divine verses on Murugan, adhere to Shaivam principles. Murugan > is the embodiment of Shiva's light and wisdom and devotees pray to him to > overcome the obstacles they face, as He is the divine vanquisher of evil. > The motive of Thaipusam festival is to pray to God to receive his grace so > that bad traits are destroyed > > 14 The Kavadi Attam ("Burden Dance", also written as cavadee) is the > ceremonial sacrifice and offering performed by devotees during the worship > of Murugan. It is often performed during the festival of Thaipusam and > emphasizes debt bondage. The Kavadi itself is a physical burden through > which the devotees implore for help from Murugan. On the day of the > festival, devotees shave their heads and undertake a pilgrimage along a set > route, while engaging in various acts of devotion, notably carrying various > types of kavadi (burdens). The simplest kavadi is a semicircular decorated > canopy supported by a wooden rod that is carried on the shoulders to the > temple. In addition, some have a small spear through their tongue, or a > spear through the cheeks.". A similar practice is performed by the > Nagarathar community in Pazhani, India. This is known as the Nagarathar > Kavadi > > 15 Thaipusam in India In Palani Sri Dhandayuthapani temple, 10 > day Festival (Brahmotsavam) is held during ThaiPusam. Thirukalyanam > (Celestial Wedding) will be held on the day before Thaipusam. On Thaipusam, > Therottam will be held. Lord Muthukumaraswamy will bless devotees in Thanga > Guthirai Vahanam (Golden Horse), Periya Thanga Mayil Vahanam (Golden > Peacock, Theppotsavam (Float Festival) during the 10 day festival. In > Chidamabaram (Thillai) Panchamurthi Veedhi Ula, Thirthavari, Thaandava > Darsanam Aarthi will be held on Thai Poosam. In Madurai Sri Meenakshi Amman > Temple, Sri Meenakshi Sundareshwarar Theppotsavam (Float Festival) will be > held at Mariammam Theppa Kulam. In Mylapore Kapaleeswarar Temple, 3 Day > Theppotsavam will be held during ThaiPusam Pournami. At the Linga Bhairavi > temple in Coimbatore, devotees participate in a 21-day Shivanga sadhana, > which ends on Thaipusam at the temple. 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