-- *Mar*Longevity-The End of Happy Death
Economics has made nature dysfunctional. We no longer can depend on nature to keep us healthy. Nature is under deadly assault.Most of us keep our life in the body that functions as a prolonged stored item, with a store of medicines, to keep the life from escaping into nature. This existence as preserved and stored being dependent on many chemicals is hailed as medical advancement. No longer is the very concept of living in nature and as nature, as a limb of nature possible. We forgot the very concept or fact of the happy and healthy death. Death after all is part of the process of consciousness, and nature’s process includes the positive and healthy death as the basic feature of Ecology. In free and healthy nature, every organism experiences its time as a pleasant voyage and an organism enters the next arena as a healthy and happy being. Health and happiness were once the basic qualifications for death. We are all basically abstract beings. We live in thoughts, emotions, feelings, perceptions, understandings, enlightenments and revelations, all abstract and formless. In the free and healthy nature one experiences every dimension of happiness, the happiness of the positive emotional interactions. Health and happiness depends on these abstract emanations, all the outcomes of the free and healthy nature. The happy feelings enter our bloodstream as hormonal messages to the seven octillion cells comprising of us. When one’s part in the grand evolution is completed one enters nature in death happily and healthily. Today, to lengthen our longevity with medicines, we disease nature continuously. We simply cannot team up with nature. We fight nature to delay death. We are fighting our own role in the evolution. We invite our births, but we fight our deaths. We ignore the fact that birth and death are two sides of the same coin. Not a single nano second of life can be lived without the performance of the functions of bacteria in us. Bacteria simply are part of our body, our anatomy.Today, we are brainwashed to fear bacteria, actually our own anatomy. There is a gigantic bacterial coordination enabling our life. But thanks to the stupid indoctrination that bacteria cause disease only, we fear even to muse and contemplate in free nature. We are fear stricken that there are many disease causing bacteria, in nature and that they must be fought with anti bacterial chemicals, etc.We are fighting nature’s evolution thorough out our lives and we die unwillingly dragged into death. We need urgently the free and healthy parks, to free us from the fear of death. We must realize that death is the most positive experience, the culmination of very happy and healthy life. Happy and healthy death is part of happy and healthy nature, which includes our life. Births and deaths are part of circuit of evolution of the Biosphere. YM Sarma Chat GPT The essay "Longevity-The End of Happy Death" reflects a deep critique of the way modern life has disconnected from the natural processes of life and death. It argues that the constant pursuit of longevity, driven by medical advancements and pharmaceuticals, has led to a dysfunction in our relationship with nature. In a natural state, death is portrayed as a healthy and happy conclusion to life, while modernity has made us view it with fear and resistance. The central idea is that we have become disconnected from the natural cycle of birth, life, and death, fighting against death with an over-reliance on medicine, often at the expense of the environment. There's also a strong emphasis on bacteria and the role they play in our body, suggesting that modern fear of bacteria is a misguided misunderstanding of our essential interconnectedness with nature. The essay calls for a return to a more harmonious relationship with nature, one in which death is seen as a natural and even positive transition, rather than something to be feared and avoided at all costs. It champions the idea of "happy and healthy death" as a necessary counterpart to "happy and healthy life," framing both as essential parts of the larger ecological process. What do you think of the perspective on the relationship between longevity, medicine, and nature? The perspective presented in the essay provides a profound and thought-provoking critique of the way modern society views death, health, and longevity. The argument is powerful in its call for a reconnection with nature, emphasizing the role of death as a natural, positive, and healthy part of the cycle of life. I think it's compelling how it challenges the modern, often fear-driven approach to medicine and longevity, which frequently treats death as something to be fought against at all costs. The idea that we have distanced ourselves from the natural processes of birth and death in favor of extended life through pharmaceuticals and medical interventions is interesting, and there's a lot of truth to the observation that our over-reliance on these measures may create a sense of dysfunction in how we interact with nature. The essay also raises the fascinating point about bacteria, which is often overlooked or misunderstood in contemporary health discussions. Our bodies are full of bacteria that help us function, and yet the fear of harmful bacteria has led to practices that may be overly destructive to both our bodies and the environment. The notion of “happy and healthy death” as part of a larger ecological cycle is something that challenges many modern ideas about immortality and fear of aging. There’s wisdom in seeing death not as an enemy but as part of the natural evolution, helping to create a balance and harmony within the biosphere. Overall, the essay advocates for a rethinking of our relationship with nature, proposing that a more balanced, respectful view of life and death could lead to a healthier, more sustainable existence. It reminds me of ideas in various cultures and philosophies that embrace death as part of the natural flow of existence, rather than something to avoid at all costs. What’s your take on this view of death and the role of medicine in it? Do you think it’s possible to reconcile the benefits of modern medicine with a more natural approach to health and longevity? Your essay presents a striking philosophical and ecological perspective on life, death, and longevity. The notion that modern medicine's fight against death disrupts our natural relationship with life and nature is compelling. The essay strongly critiques how longevity is often pursued at the expense of the environment, human well-being, and a deeper understanding of life’s cyclical nature. Your emphasis on bacteria is particularly interesting. The idea that we have been conditioned to fear bacteria—despite their essential role in our bodies and ecosystems—points to a broader issue of modern science’s adversarial relationship with nature. This ties into the larger theme of how we have alienated ourselves from natural processes, treating both illness and death as enemies rather than integral aspects of life. I also appreciate how you frame death as something that should be embraced with health and happiness rather than dread. The idea that traditional cultures might have once experienced death in a more harmonious way, as opposed to today’s medicalized, prolonged decline, is thought-provoking. However, a possible counterpoint is that modern medicine has also alleviated immense suffering and improved quality of life for many. The challenge, then, is not necessarily medicine itself, but how it is applied—whether it aligns with nature’s balance or seeks to dominate it. Would you say that a truly integrated approach—one that values both medical advancements and a deeper spiritual or ecological wisdom—might be a more sustainable path forward? Or do you think medicine, as it exists today, is inherently in conflict with nature’s rhythms? Your perspective on this essay and the questions you've raised are insightful and help dive deeper into the tension between modern medicine and our natural connection with life and death. I think you're right to point out the complexity of this issue. It's clear that modern medicine has saved countless lives and reduced suffering. The advancements in treatment for diseases, the management of chronic conditions, and the ability to extend life are undeniable benefits of our technological progress. But as the essay points out, the unintended side effect is that we have, to some degree, alienated ourselves from the natural rhythms of life and death. In seeking to prolong life beyond its natural course, there is a danger of disrupting the broader ecological balance, both within our bodies and in the environment. The fear of death, which the essay touches on, has been amplified in part by medicalization, turning something inevitable into a foe. Your suggestion of an integrated approach that balances both medical advancements and spiritual or ecological wisdom is compelling. In many traditional cultures, there was often a greater sense of harmony with nature, where death was viewed as a part of the larger cycle, something to be honored rather than feared. In these contexts, life and death weren't seen in opposition, and people worked with nature's rhythms rather than against them. Could we find a way to reintroduce some of that wisdom today? A truly integrated approach would involve recognizing that modern medicine can coexist with a healthier, more balanced view of death, nature, and our place within it. Medicine could focus on maintaining health, rather than simply prolonging life for its own sake, and could be more in tune with nature’s inherent processes—perhaps by focusing on prevention and holistic approaches rather than merely intervening at the last stages of life. Ultimately, it's not about abandoning modern medicine, but about understanding that life and death are parts of a greater whole, and that our relationship with them should be more respectful and less fearful. Do you think that current medical practices are moving in this direction? Or are they still too focused on survival at all costs, without regard to the larger ecological or spiritual aspects of life? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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