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On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 at 17:12, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear folks > > Fools who never went to school misuse the English language (in which they > are hardly literate) to label abuse and invective a "repartee". > > Idiots who do not know the bhagavath-geetha and, having missed veda-class, > missed attending paata-shaala and missed receiving religious education > throughout life and, because they never underwent any samskaaram including > naama-karanam, upanayanam, veda-adhyayanam, or samvarthanam, never had > access to our vedams, blindly spew venom and vitriol, not caring that it > will only rebound on themselves like the proverbial skilful > Australian aborigine's boomerang. > > Example:- > > "*The Vedas do not support the view that the Brahmins (priestly class) > are of higher caste, while the Shudras (labor class) are of lower caste.*" > > My comments:- > > The vedams -- r 'g, yajur, and saama -- do NOT mention castes or class. > They only talk about varnas. > > The yajur-veda thaiththireeya brahmanam clearly says that the braahmanas > are devathaas (celestial beings) whereas the shoodrans are asuras (demons). > > *They squirm and shudder when caught lying and having their lies exposed > to public detestation. They try unsuccessfully to cover their nakedness by > a flurry of irrelevant nonsense and by misinterpretation of what the > upanishads actually say and mean.* > > They even dare to declare shamelessly and publicly that they are still in > Government service, when they have retired decades ago and are drawing > pension at taxpayers' expense, having contributed nothing at all > to taxpayers' well-being. > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 4:57 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> All foolish and stupid people are there in the world to make >> you skilful. They bring out the skills within you. How to handle them, how >> to behave, all these skills come out of you. It is like body and mind. If >> you are thinking only about the mind and ignore the body, then you will be >> in trouble. Similarly, if you are thinking only of the body and not >> attending to the mind, then also you will not be complete. Body and mind is >> a complex and they go together. That is life. You know, devotion will help. >> When you have the devotion and the faith that there is a power which is in >> control then your innocence remains intact. Even for a few moments if this >> awareness comes that the whole universe is ruled by some orderliness, >> something is governing this universe then you don’t think that you are too >> smart and you will come back to your innocence. And when you are focused on >> work, as a by-product of it, naturally you will be skilful. You can’t say >> all the time, ‘There is some power that will take care of me.’ So that is >> where life is a combination of skilfulness and universal awareness. And >> self-reliance was focussed. But fools behave differently, writing >> irrelevant as if professing avivekis. I wrote Upanishads and that fool >> makes fun of Upanishad words on soul. What Upanishad said? >> >> 2 Verse 3.1.9 एषोऽणुरात्मा चेतसा वेदितव्यो यस्मिन्प्राणः >> पञ्चधा संविवेश । >> >> प्राणैश्चित्तं सर्वमोतं प्रजानां यस्मिन्विशुद्धे विभवत्येष आत्मा ॥ ९ ॥ >> >> eṣo'ṇurātmā cetasā veditavyo yasminprāṇaḥ pañcadhā saṃviveśa | >> >> prāṇaiścittaṃ sarvamotaṃ prajānāṃ yasminviśuddhe vibhavatyeṣa ātmā || 9 || >> >> 9. This subtle Atman should be known by the mind as being in the body, >> whose prana entered in five different forms; the mind in all creatures is >> pervaded by these pranas. When it is purified, then the Atman shines out of >> itself. For example, the Mundaka Upanishad (3.1.9) explains that the >> living being is the soul, and that: “The soul is atomic in size >> (ESOANURATMA) and can be perceived by perfect intelligence. This atomic >> soul is situated within the heart, and spreads its influence all over the >> body of the embodied living entities. When the soul is purified from the >> contamination of the five kinds of material air, its spiritual influence is >> exhibited.” >> >> 3 Verse 6.11.3 एवमेव खलु सोम्य विद्धीति होवाच जीवापेतं >> वाव किलेदं म्रियते न जीवो म्रियते इति स य एषोऽणिमैतदात्म्यमिदं सर्वं >> तत्सत्यं स आत्मा तत्त्वमसि श्वेतकेतो इति भूय एव मा भगवान्विज्ञापयत्विति >> तथा सोम्येति होवाच ॥ ६.११.३ ॥ ॥ इति एकादशः खण्डः ॥ >> >> evameva khalu somya viddhīti hovāca jīvāpetaṃ vāva kiledaṃ mriyate na >> jīvo mriyate iti sa ya eṣo'ṇimaitadātmyamidaṃ sarvaṃ tatsatyaṃ sa ātmā >> tattvamasi śvetaketo iti bhūya eva mā bhagavānvijñāpayatviti tathā somyeti >> hovāca || 6.11.3 || || iti ekādaśaḥ khaṇḍaḥ || >> >> 3. The father said; ‘O Somya, know this: When the self leaves the body, >> the body surely dies. The self, however, never dies. That which is the >> subtlest of all is the Self of all this. It is the Truth. It is the Self. >> That thou art, O Śvetaketu.’ [Śvetaketu then said,] ‘Sir, please explain >> this to me again.’ ‘Yes, Somya, I will explain it again,’ replied his >> father. The Chandogya Upanishad (6.11.3) also states that >> although the body withers and dies when the self or soul leaves it, the >> living self does not die. >> >> 4 Further enlightenment is given in the Srimad-Bhagavatam >> (7.2.22) wherein it explains that the spirit soul has no death and is >> eternal and inexhaustible. He is completely different from the material >> body, but because of being misled by misuse of his slight independence, he >> is obliged to accept subtle and gross bodies created by the material energy >> and thus be subjected to so-called material happiness and distress. >> >> 5 The constitutional position of the living entity as a fragment >> of the Supreme Lord is confirmed in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and the >> Upaniṣads. The Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad (5.9) states, >> >> bālāgra-śata-bhāgasya śatadhā kalpitasya ca >> >> bhāgo jīvaḥ sa vijñeyaḥ sa cānantyāya kalpate >> >> "If the tip of a hair were divided into one hundred parts, and if one of >> those parts were again divided into a hundred parts, that one >> ten-thousandth part of the tip of the hair would be the dimension of the >> living entity." As already mentioned, this position of the living entity as >> a fragment of the Supreme Lord is declared in the Bhagavad-gītā (15.7) to >> be eternal; it cannot be changed. A person who understands his >> constitutional position as a fragment of the Supreme Lord and engages >> himself in devotional service with all seriousness at once becomes >> immortal. The size of the soul is also described in the Svetasvatara >> Upanishad (5.9): “When the upper point of a hair is divided into one >> hundred parts and again each of such parts is further divided into one >> hundred parts, each such part is the measurement of the dimension of the >> spirit soul.” So considering that the diameter of a typical hair is about >> three-thousandths of an inch wide, then to divide that into one hundreds >> parts, and then divide one of those parts again into one hundred parts >> means that it would be microscopic. And since it is spiritual and not made >> of material substance, to perceive the presence of the soul is not so easy. >> It is invisible to our material vision. >> >> 6 Thus soul Jeevatma is so minute inwardly that we shall look >> into it to understand who you are? THAT IS SELF BELIEVING. And what those >> B G quoted or misquoted by that writer virtually indicates? >> >> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX >> >> 7 “ In the bhagavath-geetha Lord Sree Krishna Paramaathma tells >> Arjuna:- daivamevaapare yajnyam yoginaha paryupaasathe l >> >> brahmaagnaavaapare yajnyam yajnenaiva upajihvathi ll >> >> (B G Cap. IV v 25) meaning -- some karmayogis, following the customs of >> the devathas, perform their prescribed religious rites; other learned >> yogis, using the same materials as are used in performing yajnyas, offer >> their aathmas in the sacrificial fire which is the Brahmam. >> >> Again in B G Cap.V v 18, the Lord says:- vidyaavinayasampanne >> braahmane gavi hasthini l shuni chaiva shvapaake cha pandithaaha >> samadarshnaha ll meaning -- "On seeing a learned braahmana, a sacred cow, >> a noble elephant, a dog or even a dog-flesh eating person, an enlightened >> scholar who has knowledge and seen suffering, makes no distinction." >> >> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX >> >> (8) 1 Karma yogi or Gnana yogi doibf rituals if at aall >> offering the atma, in the yagna, then how come first they understood the >> power of atma? How without WHO AM I , how one saw the atma? And same B G >> also say about the YOGIS AS, “ >> >> प्राप्य पुण्यकृतां लोकानुषित्वा शाश्वती: समा: | >> >> शुचीनां श्रीमतां गेहे योगभ्रष्टोऽभिजायते || 41||6 >> >> अथवा योगिनामेव कुले भवति धीमताम् | >> >> एतद्धि दुर्लभतरं लोके जन्म यदीदृशम् || 42||6 >> >> prāpya puṇya-kṛitāṁ lokān uṣhitvā śhāśhvatīḥ samāḥ >> >> śhuchīnāṁ śhrīmatāṁ gehe yoga-bhraṣhṭo ’bhijāyate >> >> atha vā yoginām eva kule bhavati dhīmatām >> >> etad dhi durlabhataraṁ loke janma yad īdṛiśham >> >> BG 6.41-42: The unsuccessful yogis, upon death, go to the abodes of the >> virtuous. After dwelling there for many ages, they are again reborn in >> the earth plane, into a family of pious and prosperous people. Else, if >> they had developed dispassion due to long practice of Yog, they are born >> into a family endowed with divine wisdom. Such a birth is very difficult to >> attain in this world. >> >> SO YOGIS ARE NOT ABOVE BOARDS. >> >> 9 (2) In the next B G speaks about the LEARNED >> BRAHMIN not all. vidyā-vinaya-sampanne brāhmaṇe NOT EGO RIDDEN ABUSING >> SELF STYLED BRAHMANA. >> >> Chapter 5, Verse 18 >> >> विद्याविनयसम्पन्ने ब्राह्मणे गवि हस्तिनि | >> >> शुनि चैव श्वपाके च पण्डिता: समदर्शिन: || 18||5 >> >> vidyā-vinaya-sampanne brāhmaṇe gavi hastini >> >> śhuni chaiva śhva-pāke cha paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśhinaḥ >> >> vidyā—divine knowledge; vinaya—humbleness; sampanne—equipped with; >> brāhmaṇe—a Brahmin; gavi—a cow; hastini—an elephant; śhuni—a dog; >> cha—and; eva—certainly; śhva-pāke—a dog-eater; cha—and; paṇḍitāḥ—the >> learned; sama-darśhinaḥ—see with equal vision >> >> vidya-vinaya-sampanne brahmane gavi hastini >> >> shuni chaiva shva-pake cha panditah sama-darshinah >> >> BG 5.18: The truly learned, with the eyes of divine knowledge, see with >> equal vision a Brahmin, a cow, an elephant, a dog, and a dog-eater. >> >> Who sees with the equanimity? cha panditah sama-darshinah LEARNED >> SEE WITH THE EQUAL VISIONS -WHO ? see with equal vision a Brahmin, a cow, >> an elephant, a dog, and a dog-eater. That is a learned makes no >> distinction between brahmin or shudra or mellechan or animal. >> >> When we perceive things through the perspective of knowledge, it >> is called prajñā chakṣhu, which means “with the eyes of knowledge.” Shree >> Krishna uses the words vidyā sampanne to the same effect, but He also adds >> vinaya, meaning “humbleness.” The sign of divine knowledge is that it is >> accompanied by a sense of humility, while shallow bookish knowledge is >> accompanied with the pride of scholarship. >> >> Shree Krishna reveals in this verse how divine knowledge bestows a >> vision so different from physical sight. Endowed with knowledge, devotees >> see all living beings as souls who are fragments of God, and are therefore >> divine in nature. The examples given by Shree Krishna are of diametrically >> contrasting species and life forms. A Vedic Brahmin who conducts worship >> ceremonies is respected, while a dog-eater is usually looked down upon as >> an outcaste; a cow is milked for human consumption, but not a dog; an >> elephant is used for ceremonial parades, while neither the cow or the dog >> are. From the physical perspective, these species are sharp contrasts in >> the spectrum of life on our planet. However, a truly learned person >> endowed with spiritual knowledge sees them all as eternal souls, and hence >> views them with an equal eye. >> >> The Vedas do not support the view that the Brahmins (priestly >> class) are of higher caste, while the Shudras (labor class) are of lower >> caste. The perspective of knowledge is that even though the Brahmins >> conduct worship ceremonies, the Kṣhatriyas administer society, the Vaiśhyas >> conduct business, and the Shudras engage in labor, yet they are all eternal >> souls, who are tiny parts of God, and hence alike. >> >> SO CAN ANY ONE SEE WHY SUCH IRRELEVANT MATERIALS BY A WRITER? >> TO EXHIBIT HIS AVIVEKAM WITH THE ANGER AND STILL CALLING HIMSELF AS A >> LEARNED? 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