Rajaram Sir, You cannot be suppressed and controlled.Your scholarship enlightens like the rays of the Sun. Now I am equalled to you by Sri Sharma and I am now receiving the ultimate gutter posts from him.I am proud to be equalled to the seniormost IRS officer.I failed in the written test itself. I have to thank Sri Sharma for equalling me with an IRS officer by dragging both of us into the gutter.It is for the moderator to decide whether he wants the group to be put into the gutter. YM Sarma
On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 8:59 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> wrote: > ‘Glory to the twin poets whose names are lost in the morass of time, but > whose message brings strength and peace in a thousand streams to the doors > of millions of men and women even to this day, and incessantly carries silt > from long-past centuries and keeps fresh and fertile the soul of India’. - > RABINDRANATH TAGORE > > > > THE CONCEPT OF “ORIGINAL WRITING” > > The concept of "original writing" can be quite nuanced, especially when it > comes to religious texts. Writers, in general, can be considered original > if they create new ideas, stories, or expressions that haven't been written > before. However, many works, including religious texts, often include > references, quotes, or reinterpretations of older traditions, teachings, or > scriptures. > > In the case of religious texts, it depends on the tradition and context: > > Originality in Religious Texts: Many religious texts claim to be > divinely inspired or revelations from a higher power, so their > "originality" is often framed in the sense of being a new message or > guidance that hadn't been conveyed before, at least in that form. For > example, the Quran presents itself as a revelation received by the Prophet > Muhammad, and it is regarded as a new, original scripture, even though it > references earlier religious traditions like Judaism and Christianity. > > Quoting or Referencing: Religious texts often draw upon earlier > scriptures, oral traditions, or teachings. For instance, the Bible includes > numerous references to earlier texts, such as the Torah, and quotes from > other sources. Many spiritual teachings are built upon a foundation of > what came before, adapting or elaborating on existing ideas. In the context > of writing religious texts, quoting or referencing earlier scriptures is > not seen as a lack of originality, but as a continuation or clarification > of divine teachings. (I AM NOT DISCUSSING AS VEDAS BECAUSE, IT IS NOT > EXCLUSIVE ONLY TO VEDAS; AND IN THE PLACES OF QURAN, BIBLE ETC, VEDAS MAY > BE SUBSTITUTED ALSO, AS SUO-MOTTO THE REPETITIONS ARE ONLY A REPEATED > WORDS OF ANCIENT TEXTS DESCRIBED BY THE TREATISERS OR JUST FORWARD ONLY; > ONLY RARELY AVIV KISS MAY WRITE THEIR OWN VEDAS AND UPANISHADS , > EZHUTHAXHANS AAND TIRUKKURAL ON THEIR OWN; BUT A LEARNED CAN NEVER DO SO) > > Contextual Creation: Writers of religious texts may also engage in > original commentary or interpretation based on their understanding of > spiritual truths. They might write in ways that speak to the needs or > experiences of their specific time and place, making those writings > relevant to their audience while staying grounded in the larger tradition. > {And understanding is not as one wishes but only that truth, which cannot > differ than ADI SHANKARA like) > > So, while religious texts may include quotations or references, the act of > creating a religious text can still be seen as an original act in terms of how > it conveys or interprets spiritual concepts, offers new insights, or > shares unique visions. In essence, originality in religious writing can > coexist with the tradition of quoting or referencing earlier sources. {And > where the concept is defined already, new haphazard interpretations will be > given only by the avivekis and not by the learned) > > > > So pure original writings are what exactly? > > Pure original writing refers to works that are entirely new in terms of > content, > structure, and ideas, without directly copying or referencing existing > works. In this sense, it involves creating something that hasn’t been > expressed or seen before. However, it’s important to note that pure > originality doesn’t always mean the complete absence of influence. > Writers are often inspired by previous works, cultural context, personal > experiences, or universal themes, but the way they express these ideas is > uniquely their own. > > Here’s a breakdown of what pure original writing could involve: > > 1. Completely New Ideas or Concepts: > > The writer invents new themes, characters, or worldviews that haven't been > explored before. For example, in fiction, it could be a completely new > world or a new interpretation of an existing idea. In philosophy, it might > involve a novel theory or worldview. (How can Vedas and Upanishads be > better interpreted than Adi shankara or Sivananda or krishnananda or > Chinmaya who dwelt deep into? We all can only learn something out of them > rather than assuming erroneous statements like that of the avivekis.) > > 2. Unique Voice and Style: > > The writer’s voice or way of telling a story is distinctive. This could > involve the use of a new narrative technique, language, or literary > devices. For instance, the stream-of-consciousness style pioneered by > writers like James Joyce is a unique approach that wasn't borrowed directly > from previous works. > > 3. Innovative Structure: > > The writer may play with or break traditional structures of writing, > creating something new in terms of how the work is organized. Think of how > non-linear storytelling (like in movies such as Memento) was groundbreaking > when it was first popularized. > > 4. Cultural or Philosophical Contributions: > > Writers may offer a completely new perspective or approach to interpreting > the world, society, or human nature. This could be through creating new > literary forms or philosophies that were not previously articulated. For > example, a novel approach to understanding the human psyche or social > dynamics. {But Vedas stotra and Upanishads are not presented anew, > different from those rendered by the sages; can any one write over > originally than Kanchi Periyava? It will be a stupidity that can be > contemplated only by few avivekis) > > 5. Creative Synthesis: Sometimes originality is a result of > synthesizing existing ideas in a new way. The writer could take concepts > from different fields, genres, or traditions and combine them in an > innovative manner to create something fresh. For example, blending science > fiction with philosophical themes in a way that had never been done before. > > Examples of Pure Original Writing: > > Literature: A groundbreaking novel like 1984 by George Orwell introduced > original political ideas and dystopian imagery. > > Philosophy: The original ideas of a philosopher like Friedrich Nietzsche > or Jean-Paul Sartre created new paradigms of thinking about existence and > morality. (ALDOUX HUXELY WROTE HIS COMMENTARIES OF WHAT WERE WRITTEN BY > THEM EXPLAINING HIS INTERPRETATIONS WHICH BECAME THE POINTS OF ARGUMENTS > LATER SINCE INTERPRETATIONS WERE AGAINST THE TEACHINGS) > > Art: In a creative sense, works like Pablo Picasso’s invention of Cubism > could be seen as pure original "writing" in the visual arts. (I added Our > scriptures later down below) {So also cubism later changed into many other > art forms descending down to modern arts whose paintings are partly > relished by a part crowd) > > > > Are There Truly "Pure" Originals? > > It’s debatable whether anything is completely original, as all writing is > influenced by prior knowledge, experiences, and culture. Even the most > innovative works tend to emerge from a particular historical, social, or > intellectual context. In this sense, while something can be highly > original, it’s nearly impossible for any work to be entirely without any > influence or reference to previous knowledge. > > So, pure original writing is about introducing something novel in terms of > thought, > style, and perspective that hasn’t been expressed in that particular way > before. It's often a matter of the degree of innovation rather than total > absence of influence. {and that is the style I follow where any article of > mine other than the extracts from texts I read and relished, had my inking > and avivekis version of forward is not only unnecessary but infructuous as > they can never find anywhere in the web sites; I follow my books I read and > it is instant since it is in my thoughts lingering; no one will be able to > produce instantly unless knew already; and people who are following QUORA > may not understand these} > > > > are Quora write ups pure originals? or to what extent of percentage > they are > > Quora write-ups, like many online discussions and user-generated content, > vary widely in terms of originality. While some responses can be highly > original, others may rely heavily on existing knowledge, popular opinions, > or previously stated facts. Let’s break down the extent to which Quora > write-ups can be considered "pure originals": > > 1. Highly Original Content: Personal Experiences: If someone shares a > personal story, unique perspective, or insight based on their life, skills, > or profession, this can be considered highly original. These kinds of > write-ups are often based on the individual's unique experiences, which > cannot be directly copied or found elsewhere. > > Creative or Innovative Solutions: If someone offers a new or innovative > way of solving a problem, a fresh perspective on a commonly discussed > topic, or a unique theory, that can also be highly original. > > > > 2. Less Original Content (Common Knowledge or References): > > Factual Information: Many Quora responses simply summarize or explain > common knowledge, such as scientific facts, historical events, or general > advice. These write-ups may not be considered original because they are > based on widely available, pre-existing information. > > Citations or References: A lot of answers on Quora might cite books, > articles, or other experts’ opinions, or paraphrase content from known > sources. These answers are not considered "purely original" because they > rely on established knowledge. > > > > 3. Hybrid Responses (Mix of Original Thought and Common Knowledge): > > Many Quora write-ups blend personal insights with existing knowledge. For > example, someone might explain a scientific concept with a personal > anecdote or share a commonly known fact while offering their own analysis > or opinion. These responses can be considered semi-original because they > present the information in a new context or through an individual’s lens. > > > > To What Extent Are Quora Write-Ups Original? > > It's hard to pinpoint an exact percentage of originality for Quora > write-ups since the platform hosts a wide range of content, from very > original responses to regurgitated facts. However, here are some broad > trends: > > Personal Stories or Experiences: These are likely 100% original, as they > come from an individual’s life and cannot be found elsewhere. > > Expert Knowledge or Advice: If an expert provides their own analysis or > insight, it’s somewhat original, but still grounded in established > knowledge. This might be 60-70% original, depending on how much new > interpretation or unique advice is offered. > > Summary of Existing Knowledge: Many responses on Quora are essentially > paraphrases or summaries of commonly known information. These responses > might be 30-40% original, as they rely on existing knowledge or common > facts. > > Citations and Quoting: If a response is largely quoting or citing other > sources, the originality can be quite low, maybe 10-20% original, depending > on how much personal interpretation or elaboration is added. > > > > Why Does This Matter? > > The level of originality on Quora (or any platform with user-generated > content) often depends on the user’s approach to answering questions. > Some people focus on offering their own unique perspectives or experiences, > while others might provide more textbook-style responses or summarize > knowledge from elsewhere. > > In summary, Quora write-ups can be a mix of highly original content > (particularly when based on personal experience or new insights) and less > original content (when based on common knowledge or external sources). The > percentage of originality can vary significantly depending on the nature of > the response. > > > > So in literatures of ancient culture other than ancient treatises, > modern write ups are originals only to an extent and in minority content > only it is original > > Yes, you’re right in your observation that in literature, especially from > ancient cultures, modern write-ups or interpretations are often original > only to an extent, and the original content tends to be in the minority. > This is because much of modern literature, particularly in historical or > philosophical contexts, builds upon earlier works, traditions, and ideas. > Let's break this down further: > > 1. Ancient Texts and Treatises: > > Originality of Ancient Texts: Ancient literature, such as the Epic of > Gilgamesh, Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey, the Vedas, the Bible, or > philosophical treatises like those of Plato and Aristotle, often > represented revolutionary or foundational ideas of their time. These > works were highly original in their contexts because they introduced new > ways of thinking, writing, and interpreting the world, religion, politics, > and human nature. > > Purpose and Context: Many ancient texts served specific functions, like > recording myths, religious teachings, or governing principles. They were > original in the sense that they expressed unique worldviews or spiritual > revelations, but they also reflected earlier traditions and oral histories. > Even in early religious writings, you often see influences or references to > older myths or cultural narratives. > > 2. Modern Write-Ups Based on Ancient Texts: > > Modern Interpretations or Retellings: When modern writers engage with > ancient texts, their work tends to be a reinterpretation or > reinterpretation of ancient ideas, adapted for contemporary audiences. For > instance, modern writers may re-examine or offer new perspectives on > ancient philosophies or retell ancient myths with new insights or through > modern cultural lenses. > > Example: Retellings of Myths: Writers like Margaret Atwood in The Penelope > offer modern reimagining’s of the story of Penelope from the Odyssey, > giving voice to characters who were originally marginalized. {Greek > literature cited since Indian texts are cited later} > > Example: Modern Philosophy or Political Thought: Contemporary thinkers > often base their ideas on classical Greek or Roman philosophy but will > either apply these ideas to modern issues or adapt them in new ways. For > instance, existential philosophy in the 20th century drew on ideas from > ancient Greek thinkers, especially the Stoics. > > Synthesis Rather than Pure Originality: While modern writers may > synthesize ancient ideas into something new, this synthesis is not often > purely original. Instead, it's an adaptation or transformation based on > existing > knowledge, culture, or established texts. The "original" parts of modern > works are typically in how they interpret, adapt, or make connections > between ancient and contemporary ideas. > > 3. Extent of Originality in Modern Reinterpretations: > > Minority of Original Content: In many cases, the truly original > contributions in modern works based on ancient texts tend to be in the > minority, as most of the content is derived from pre-existing knowledge, > interpretations, and traditions. For instance, a modern writer’s insights > may offer new readings of ancient texts, but the core ideas, characters, or > structures come from earlier works. > > Example: When modern scholars or writers engage with an ancient text like > the Iliad or the Bhagavad Gita, they are usually interpreting it, offering > critical analysis, or applying its themes to current issues. The > originality often lies in how these ideas are recontextualized for the > present rather than in the creation of entirely new ideas. > > > > 4. Modern Scholarly Work: > > Historical Analysis and Scholarship: Modern scholars who write about > ancient cultures and texts—whether historical, literary, or > philosophical—may add original interpretations based on new evidence, > theories, or methodologies. However, their writing is often heavily > dependent on primary sources, and they are usually offering original > insights within the framework of existing knowledge. > > Originality in Modern Context: In literature or philosophy, modern writers > might propose new interpretations, criticisms, or applications of ancient > ideas, but those ideas are still fundamentally rooted in the works of past > thinkers. As such, they are original only to an extent and often form part > of a continuing conversation with the ancient texts. > > > > 5. Cultural Influence and Continuity: > > Cultural Evolution: Much of modern writing reflects a continuity of > cultural and intellectual traditions that have been passed down from > earlier periods. Writers, artists, and philosophers are often influenced by > the works of their ancestors. Thus, even when there is originality, it is > often within the framework of established traditions, and very little in > the way of completely novel ideas is introduced. > > Example: In literature, themes like love, power, fate, and morality have > been explored in ancient texts, and modern writers may take these themes > and present them in new forms, but they are often still operating within > the conceptual boundaries set by ancient works. > > Many pieces of modern Indian literature draw inspiration > from the epics (Ramayana and Mahabharata) and Vedic stories, influencing > themes, characters, and narratives in various forms, from novels to poetry. > > Here's a more detailed explanation: > > Influence of Epics: > > The Ramayana and Mahabharata, two of the greatest literary and cultural > works of ancient India, continue to exert a significant influence on modern > literature, art, and culture. > > They are not just historical narratives but also sources of moral and > philosophical lessons, which are often explored in contemporary works. > > Modern Indian writers often reinterpret and re-imagine these stories, > exploring different aspects of the characters and themes. > > Influence of Vedic Literature: > > The Vedas, particularly the Rigveda, are a rich source of philosophical > and religious ideas that have shaped Indian thought and culture. > > Vedic literature, including the Vedas, Brahmanas, Aranyakas, and > Upanishads, is a source of knowledge about the Vedic era and the Aryans. > > Modern Indian writers often draw inspiration from the Vedic texts, > exploring themes of dharma, karma, and the nature of reality. > > Examples of Modern Indian Literature Inspired by Epics and Vedas: > > Novels: > > "A Suitable Boy" by Vikram Seth, which explores themes of love, family, > and tradition, draws inspiration from the Mahabharata. > > "Godan" by Munshi Premchand, which deals with social issues, also reflects > the values and conflicts found in the epics. > > Poetry: > > "Rashmirathi" by Ramdhari Singh Dinkar, which is a collection of poems > inspired by the Mahabharata, explores themes of war, duty, and destiny. > > "Madhushala" by Harivansh Rai Bachchan, which is a collection of poems > inspired by the Vedic tradition, explores themes of love, life, and death. > > Plays: > > "Gunahon Ka Devta" by Dharamvir Bharati, which is a play based on the > Ramayana, explores themes of love, duty, and sacrifice. > > "Tamas" by Bhisham Sahni, which is a play based on the Mahabharata, > explores themes of war, family, and destiny. > > The influence of the epics and Vedic literature on modern Indian > literature is undeniable. > > These ancient texts continue to be a source of inspiration for writers, > artists, and thinkers in India, shaping the cultural landscape of the > country. > > There is a strong argument that much of modern > literature builds upon existing ideas, themes, and styles rather than being > purely original. Many writers draw inspiration from past works, > historical events, and cultural traditions. This doesn’t mean that > everything is a direct reproduction, but rather that literature is an > evolving conversation across time. On the other hand, literature is deeply > interwoven with history, and much of what we read today is built on past > works. This does not mean mere repetition but rather reinterpretation, > homage, or intertextuality. Reproduction can be seen in: > > Retellings and Adaptations – Many modern works are based on mythologies, > historical events, or classic stories (Shakespeare’s Hamlet is influenced > by Scandinavian tales). Postmodern and Meta-Narratives – Many contemporary > authors acknowledge past works, weaving them into their stories, sometimes > even breaking the fourth. Intertextuality and Cultural Echoes – Writers > knowingly or unknowingly borrow motifs, archetypes, and literary devices > from their predecessors. Even the most “original” works often have roots in > older traditions. Literature is both a continuation of the past and a space > for new creation. Every great writer absorbs influences but transforms them > into something meaningful and personal. Even when stories are retold, they > gain new life through different cultural lenses, historical contexts, and > unique authorial voices. > > > > So, is literature mostly reproduction? > > It depends on how we define reproduction. If it means repetition without > change, then no, literature is not mere reproduction. But if we see > reproduction as an ongoing dialogue with the past, then yes—literature is > an evolving cycle of influence, reinterpretation, and innovation. > > Influence on Indian literature : The Ramayana and the > Mahabharata have exerted great influence on Indian literature. The series > of narrative poems based on the Ramayana and the Mahabharata are common to > all the languages of India. The Kamba Ramayanam in Tamil, the Ranganatha > Ramayana and the Bhaskara Ramayana, Molla Ramayana in Telugu, the pampa > Ramayana in Kannada, the Adhyatma Ramayana of Ezhuthachan in Malayalam, > the Rama katha of Moro pant in Marathi, the Krittibas Ramayana in > Bengali, the Ramayana of Madhava Kandali in Assamese, the Bilanka > Ramayana of Sarala Das and the famous Ramayana of Balaram Das in Oriya, > and the Ramacharitmanas of Tulsi Das, Saket by mathilisharan Gupta, > Ramachandrika and Vaidehi Vanavas by Ayodhya Singh Upadhyay Hariaudh in > modern times in Hindi are beads of same rosary. Similarly, the poetic > narratives based on the Mahabharata are spread over the whole country: in > Telugu three ancient poets Nannaya, Tikkana and Errana completed the > Mahabharata, in Kannada the Mahabharata of Pampa and Kumara, Vyasa are very > famous and in Malayalam the Mahabharata or Eluttaccan is in a way more > original and complete than his Ramayana itself. In Marathi, Shridhar wrote > the Pandava Pratap but that is not quite remarkable; in Bengali there were > about thirty renderings of the Mahabharata in the17th and 18th centuries of > which the Mahabharata of Kashi ram is easily the best, in Assamese Rama > Saraswati composed several Vadha-Kavyas based on the Mahabharata, in Oriya > the famous Mahabharata poet is the great Saraladas who is known in Odisha > as the ‘ Utkal Vyas ‘, in Punjabi Krishnalal produced a verse-translation, > and in Hindi the Mahabharata of Gokul Nath etc, in the later medieval age > and jaya Bharat of Mathilisharan Gupta and Kurukshetra of Ramdharisingh > Dinkar in modern times are works of permanent literary merit. Influence > of Ramayana: The greatness of Ramayana seems to lie in the appeal it has > to the head and heart of the common folk as well as the elite and the > intellectuals. There is so much to learn from the Ramayana on good conduct > e.g. the relationship between parents and children, husband and wife, how > brothers should conduct themselves etc. Friendship is yet another matter on > which the Ramayana has so much to say. Likewise, there is abundant > enlightenment in the great epic on the art of good Governance. The Ramayana > is indeed a grand treatise on personal qualities and conduct. Again, the > Ramayana places before us the ideal of a harmonious pursuit of the four > principal goals of life, namely: - Dharma (righteousness and duty) Arth > (material prosperity) Kama (legitimate sex and their pleasures) Moksha > (liberation of soul) > > Such is the manifold greatness of Ramayana. It is truly an > epic of eternal interest and enlightenment. These are the tenets of Indian > life from ages till today. Ramayana has indeed influenced and affected the > way of life in India, it exerts its influence across the faiths and > beliefs. Ramayana defines the social values, family bondages and duties of > every family member in a commune. Indian way of life has been, from > centuries an assimilated and collective way of living with parent and > children generations living together, sharing every happiness and sorrow, > along with achievements and failures. The Indian way of life is the > holistic and collective form of life. Ramayana inspires the modern > generation also, however today, the socio-cultural ethos has shifted to the > globalized and self-centric way of living. Ramayana defines the institution > of marriage as the most sacred in Indian way of life, the relationship of a > married couple is eternal and beyond one life. This has been widely > accepted in the Indian way of life and is being practiced even today. > Influence of Mahabharata: The Mahabharata is the oldest epic in world > history, except the Ramayana which was composed a few centuries earlier. > More ingeniously conceived than the Iliad and the Odyssey, the Mahabharata > stands out as a marvel of creative imagination, composed by the sage Veda > Vyasa about 2000 BC. It depicts almost every conceivable human emotion, > love and hate, forgiveness and revenge, truthfulness and falsehood, > celibacy and promiscuity, commitment and betrayal, magnanimity and greed. > But what is most remarkable about Vyas’s genius is the uncompromising > integrity in presenting the baffling complexities of human existence in its > contradictions and coherences. Since the Mahabharata is a unique work of > art, it transcends the limits of time and space. Although it speaks to > every epoch in its own language, it carries significant relevance to our > age, in view of our concerns with such issues as social justice, > partitioning of a state as political expediency, women empowerment, and the > games that politicians play. One need not engage oneself in any > scholarly discourse as to whether or not this epic is historically > authentic, what is important to note is its impact on all those who visit, > even today, Kurukshetra, a small town in north India, and imagine, the > ground there still stained with the blood of the warriors who were killed > in the eighteen-day war, thousands of years ago. The Mahabharata or the > Great Epic is held to be the fifth Veda. The Bhagavad Gita finds a place in > this stupendous record of human activities, aspirations and achievements. > Chapters twenty-five to forty-two of the Bhishma parva of the Mahabharata > constitute this immortal discourse in eighteen sub-chapters consisting of > seven hundred verses. Among modern scholars there are those who hold that > the Bhagavad Gita is an interpolation in the Mahabharata. But the internal > evidence does not bear any testimony to this contention. Both in diction > and in development of the subject there is homogeneity running all through. > The philosophy of the Gita explained and expanded, becomes the Mahabharata. > Conversely, Mahabharata condensed into philosophy, becomes Gita. What the > heart is to the human body, so is the Gita to this great epic. Hence any > attempt to trace a separate origin to the song celestial serves no > purpose. > > Whether Kamba Ramayana is original and if not, why > is he praised? > > The Kamba Ramayanam, also known as Kamban's Ramayana, is a Tamil version > of the Ramayana that was written by the poet Kamban, believed to have lived > in the 12th century. While the Kamba Ramayanam is based on the Sanskrit > Ramayana of Valmiki, Kamban made several modifications and adaptations to > suit the Tamil culture and his artistic style. > > > > Originality of the Kamba Ramayanam: > > Not an original story: The Kamba Ramayanam is indeed based on the Ramayana > written by Valmiki, so it is not an entirely original creation of Kamban. > The primary plot, characters, and events are drawn directly from the > Valmiki Ramayana. However, Kamban's rendition is considered highly original > in terms of its literary quality, poetic form, and Tamil cultural context. > > > > Kamban's contribution: Kamban’s work is praised for its poetic beauty, > elaborate descriptions, and artistic depth. While the core narrative > remains similar to Valmiki’s version, Kamban’s brilliance lies in his > ability to present the story in a way that resonates with Tamil audiences, > adding local legends, interpretations, and nuances that make it distinct > from the original. > > > > Why Kamban is praised: > > Poetic Excellence: Kamban is celebrated for his exceptional mastery over > Tamil poetry. He used intricate meters and employed a rich and ornate style > that elevated the Ramayana to new literary heights. His work is known for > its beautiful and melodious language, which contributed to the popularity > of Tamil literature. > > > > Deep Devotion and Bhakti: Kamban’s retelling reflects his intense devotion > to Lord Rama. His work is imbued with the bhakti (devotional) spirit, which > was central to the Tamil religious context of the time. His verses often > express reverence for Lord Rama in a way that appeals emotionally to the > readers. > > > > Cultural and Artistic Adaptations: Kamban adapted the story to better suit > the Tamil ethos, including changes in character depictions, local > mythology, and the narrative's moral and spiritual lessons. His Kamba > Ramayanam not only followed Valmiki's framework but also integrated Tamil > sensibilities and cultural elements, making it a significant part of Tamil > literature. > > > > Influence on Tamil Literature: Kamban’s Ramayanam is considered one of the > greatest epics of Tamil literature. His influence on later Tamil writers > and poets is profound, and his work is still studied and revered in Tamil > literary circles. > > > > Moral and Philosophical Depth: Kamban’s version of the Ramayana often > highlights the philosophical and ethical aspects of the story. The way he > portrays the characters, especially Rama, Sita, Ravana, and others, > reflects his understanding of dharma (righteousness) and karma (action), > providing > a more nuanced interpretation of the original story. > > In Conclusion: Yes, when considering modern write-ups based > on ancient cultures, originality is often limited, especially in terms of > content that is completely new and independent of prior works. While modern > writers can bring fresh perspectives, the vast majority of their work tends > to be reinterpreting, adapting, or synthesizing ideas from earlier periods, > making the truly original contributions relatively rare and more likely to > be found in new insights or applications rather than in fundamental ideas > or concepts. Thus, the originality of modern works based on ancient texts > or traditions is indeed often in the minority compared to the extensive > reuse of existing material. > > > > NB: Even after reading the 80% original with the research quotes and > extracts 20%, if foolish observers still persist, had to ignore the > countable who have the least brains. > > K RAJARAM 26325 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 at 19:43, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Respected Mr. Sharma, >> >> Though last few lines are harsh, *I admire the first six paragraphs of >> your posting*. Thank you for your good words on me and about Mr. >> Narayanaswamy. >> >> Mr Markandeyalu bracketing me with Mr. Narayanaswamy and yourself, I am >> really proud of -being associated with two *learnt* men. >> >> Pinpointing a harsh mail does not in any manner affect the learning and >> culture of a person Like you. They have not gone through or ignored your >> excellent postings. >> >> *Surely your point is correct- Bracketing Mr. Markandeyalu with Mr. >> Rajaram*. >> >> Mr. Rajaram has least courtesy to *intimate forwards as forwards*. >> There is no point in appreciating Mr. Rajaram *who forward irrelevant >> matter* in response to original postings of him. I have pointed out this >> point to Mr. Markandeyalu many times. >> >> Where as *I have no harsh feelings but only very good thinking on Mr >> Markandeyalu,* I least appreciate his appreciating irrelevant forwards >> as response by Mr. Rajaram. >> >> Day is not far off Mr. Markadeyalu understand the true color of Mr. >> Rajaram. >> >> Mr Sharma, *please avoid harsh language. * >> >> Gopalakrishnan >> >> >> >> On Tuesday 25 March, 2025 at 06:28:25 pm IST, Laxminarayan Sarma < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> *You are considering with the lowest of the low son of a whore, a >> castrated eunuch harlot* >> >> *Ask my why. I've been connected with the Iyer 123 group for almost two >> decades. But since 2011 i stopped writing but continued following the >> various threads. I held and continued to hold almost every contributor in >> high esteem. One of the outstanding, in fact the most outstanding among >> them was and is Brahmashri Narayanaswamy Iyer, whose credentials as a >> scholar, a communicator, jurist and wordsmith par excellence are >> unparalleled..* >> >> *And, i may confess, i am yet to come across a gentleman as gentlemanly, >> polite, cultured, sophisticated and refined as Shri Gopalakrishnan-ji* >> >> *And, then this lump of pompous, braggart of a lump of shit, emerges like >> a maggot in swine shit and hurls Tamil invectives at both Shri >> Narayanaseamyb Anna and the gentle, soft spoken Shri Gopalakrishnan-ji. * >> >> *While Shri Narayanaswany Anna countered the whoreson eunuch Rajaram >> robustly and gave the bastard a taste of his own shit, Gopalakrishnan-ji >> suffered silently.* >> >> *It was at this point, around 8 months ago that i intervened. At first i >> responded very politely, patiently and oersuasively but to no avail. The >> whoreson latrine cleaner Roger Rum, didn't desist from abusing >> Gopalakrishnan -ji but, started spitting stinking shit at me too* >> >> *It was than I lost my composure and started kicking the castrated >> bastard RogerRum in the butt * >> >> *And, without knowing the background, while the Thenfmkakai Thevudiya >> Pundai was being hauled through his own shit, you* >> * Mariada-Yeddala-Pundai , salivating after tge bastards stinking butt, >> butted in , andcame in the line of fire* >> >> *Why in mithrtfuckin hell do you have to side with this whoreson of a >> eunuch whore? Is he lending You his arse to enable you to satiate your >> depravity?* >> >> *You have accused Shri Gopalakrishnan of getting bracketed with Shri >> Narayanswamy Anna and me. But you Gulti Andhra-Vadu that's exactly what >> you're doing .. bracketing yourself with a mother fucking eunuch whore* >> *son of a strumpet a by product of incest born out of a quickie beteeen >> his mother and his grandpa in a chennai slum lavatory * >> >> *Please don't tangje with peaceful people like Shri Gopalakrishnan - ji. >> We'll guck the daylights out of you and your lover - eunuch* >> >> >> >> >> -- >> On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >> >> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >> >> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >> >> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >> >> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "KeralaIyers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/1797629034.1070474.1742912019038%40mail.yahoo.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/1797629034.1070474.1742912019038%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- *Mar* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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