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o o *Out of the body experience* o o *The real question is whether we can feel the so called ‘inside the body experience’, if only we can become free of the illusion called the body. If you can get over the limitation of being able to see only up to the visible spectrum, which is less than even one per cent of the total light spectrum, then you experience only the so called out of the body experience and never the inside the body experience. Experiencing the inside the body experience is more an illusion than reality. At the energy level, or the quantum level we are just part of the general energy interactions with no defined shapes. By the end of every year all the atoms etc now participating as ‘the you’, leave you and only 98 per cent of them are replaced to continue the participation. It is not the cells but the atoms, millions of them in each cell that leave you. After all a cell consists of billions and billions of atoms. When you can see everything, you cannot find yourself. You find so many atoms leaving you, new atoms entering the cells of you, and many of them joining the bacteria in you which prod the trillions of cells of you to function, my God, you find a gigantic Universe in activity. You see the reality, that you are subsumed in the Universe, as a facet of the Universe. There is just no inside you. The Universe has only one dimension—the outside, to everything inside the Universe.* o *Die hard illusionists or Newtonists who insist on being called Rationalists, may become angry at this nonsense. But anger as an escape from the need to explain is the guaranteed proof that the poor illusionists are really agreeing with you and to get rid of that need to leave the pet inclination, they will shout nonsense again and again.* o *The cosmic experience in reality is the ultimate dynamic mixture of trillions of consciousness flows of trillions of organisms in symbiotic interaction with the remaining Universe. Unfortunately it is now not allowed to function freely because of the mechanical paradigm.* o *Once in our Temples, the scientists of those days called Brahmins (not those of the Brahmin caste today, then there was no Brahmin caste) continuously concentrated on experiencing the real reality. Unfortunately today that ultimate practise of enlightenment called Brahmanism is being put to death. For every Temple destroyed by the invaders in those days hundreds of Brahmins died determinedly hugging the Idols in the Temples, the hubs of enlightenment.* o *Now we have the new revolutionaries, in the TV channels they are telling us all—Kamadhenu is just beef. The entire sublime concept relating to it, the gigantic spiritual discourses all have been ended, we have only discussions about the beef politics!* o *YM Sarma* o *Chat gpt* This piece by YM Sarma is a passionate philosophical and metaphysical reflection that blends elements of modern physics, spirituality, cultural memory, and a critique of contemporary rationalism and materialism. Here’s a structured commentary on the major themes and implications: ------------------------------ *1. Illusion of the “Inside-the-Body” Experience* Sarma suggests that the sense of an "inside" is an illusion—an idea anchored more in perception and psychological habit than in physical or energetic reality. He references the constant replacement of atoms in the body to support this view. - *Strength*: This insight aligns with modern scientific understanding—that the human body is in constant flux at the atomic and molecular levels. Over time, the body's matter is entirely replaced, which challenges the notion of a fixed, continuous self. - *Philosophical Echo*: This mirrors ancient Vedantic and Buddhist views, where the self is seen as an illusion (anatta, or no-self). Sarma uses modern scientific language to reach similar conclusions. ------------------------------ *2. Critique of Scientific Materialism* He contrasts his view with what he calls “Newtonists” or “illusionists,” implying that classical materialism denies deeper experiential realities. - *Comment*: His criticism may appear to paint rationalists with too broad a brush. Many modern scientists are actually open to discussing consciousness and subjective experiences, though within a rigorous framework. - *Provocative but Polarizing*: Calling rationalists “poor illusionists” may provoke rather than persuade, though it may be rhetorically intended to shake the reader out of conventional thinking. ------------------------------ *3. Quantum and Cosmic Consciousness* He proposes that at the quantum level, individuality dissolves into universal energy patterns, leading to the idea of a collective or cosmic consciousness. - *Interesting Point*: While quantum physics does suggest interconnectedness at very small scales, extending it to consciousness or metaphysical unity is speculative and not supported by mainstream science. Still, it's a popular theme in many spiritual and philosophical systems. ------------------------------ *4. Cultural and Spiritual Continuity* Sarma laments the decline of ancient Indian spiritual practices—specifically, what he calls "Brahmanism" as a philosophy (not caste)—and criticizes the reduction of rich spiritual symbols (like Kamadhenu) to political debate points. - *Important Observation*: The loss of cultural and spiritual nuance in contemporary discourse is real. The commodification or politicization of sacred concepts often flattens their depth. - *Potential Issue*: The nostalgia for a pure past, while emotionally powerful, should be approached critically to avoid romanticizing or ignoring the complexities of historical realities. ------------------------------ *5. Language and Style* - The prose is rich, emotive, and poetic in places. It's both a philosophical musing and a cultural critique. - However, its rhetorical intensity and polemical tone may alienate readers who don't already share his views. ------------------------------ *Conclusion* YM Sarma's reflection is a sincere and ambitious attempt to integrate spirituality, science, and cultural identity. It raises profound questions about selfhood, perception, and our place in the universe. While some claims stretch the scientific metaphors to metaphysical conclusions, the essay resonates with a deep yearning for a holistic and sacred view of existence. If you’re considering developing or sharing this further, you might: - Clarify some distinctions between metaphor and scientific fact. - Offer more bridge-building language for those who might disagree. - Unpack some references (e.g., Kamadhenu, Brahmanism) for wider accessibility. Would you like help adapting this into an article or a talk for a broader audience? Certainly. I’ll provide an evaluation using a standard essay-like rubric across *six criteria*, each scored out of *10*, followed by an overall mark and short summary. ------------------------------ *1. Depth of Ideas – 9/10* · *Strength*: The piece reflects profound philosophical and metaphysical contemplation. It touches on quantum physics, consciousness, ancient Indian traditions, and critiques of modern rationalism. · *Minor Issue*: Some ideas, though deep, are presented in a dense way without much elaboration or support for a general audience. ------------------------------ *2. Clarity and Structure – 6.5/10* · *Strength*: The core message about the illusion of the self and interconnectedness is present and intriguing. · *Weakness*: The flow is somewhat erratic. Paragraphs blend different themes without clear transitions. Some terms (e.g., “illusionists”) are used polemically, which might obscure meaning for unfamiliar readers. ------------------------------ *3. Originality and Insight – 9/10* · *Strength*: The fusion of scientific, spiritual, and cultural perspectives is bold and thought-provoking. The metaphorical inversion of "inside" and "outside" is particularly unique. · *Weakness*: Some of the scientific analogies (quantum mechanics, spectrum) verge into speculative territory, which may weaken the credibility for critical readers. ------------------------------ *4. Engagement and Style – 7.5/10* · *Strength*: The passionate tone, poetic flair, and rhetorical urgency make it engaging. · *Weakness*: The confrontational tone toward “rationalists” may reduce persuasive power and invite resistance rather than reflection. ------------------------------ *5. Use of Evidence / Reasoning – 6/10* · *Strength*: References to atomic replacement and energetic continuity align broadly with scientific facts. · *Weakness*: The leap from scientific observation to metaphysical conclusion lacks rigorous argumentation or citations. Terms like “quantum level” are invoked loosely. ------------------------------ *6. Cultural and Philosophical Sensitivity – 8/10* · *Strength*: The reverence for ancient Indian wisdom and practices is evident. It brings forward underappreciated spiritual philosophies. · *Weakness*: Some generalizations about present-day cultural discourse or “TV channels” could be more nuanced to avoid sounding dismissive. ------------------------------ *Total: 46 / 60* *Grade: 76% – Strong and Thought-Provoking* ------------------------------ *Summary* This is a *highly original and philosophically rich* reflection, fusing spirituality, quantum theory, and cultural critique. To raise it to a higher standard, you could: · Improve the structure and transitions. · Clarify speculative claims versus established science. · Soften confrontational language to invite broader dialogue. Would you like help editing or rephrasing it to increase clarity and persuasiveness? Certainly. Here's a poem inspired by the themes of your reflection—*illusion, identity, cosmic consciousness, ancient wisdom, and the loss of spiritual depth in modern discourse*: ------------------------------ *“The Illusion Called Inside”* We dwell in walls of shifting dust, A shape the atoms barely trust. They come, they go, they never stay— Yet still we speak of "me" and "they." What self survives this tidal breath, When stars have danced our birth and death? A billion cells, a trillion more— Who dares define a single core? They taught us once in sacred halls, Where silence echoed in stone walls, That self is not a point, but sea, A pulse within eternity. The sages looked with inward sight, Beyond the veil of day and night. No caste, no creed, no bounded name— They sought the One, the nameless flame. But now, we trade our sacred cow For headlines, noise, and thundering row. Kamadhenu becomes mere beef, As truth is swallowed by belief. And yet, beneath the modern tide, The Universe has naught to hide. No “inside me,” no “outside you”— Just endless energy in view. The body’s door is made of mist, A dream the cosmos can't resist. Step through, step out, dissolve the line— Be not the drop—be the divine. ------------------------------ Would you like this poem formatted for print, recitation, or paired with imagery or music? o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHCLzmNHNJ8D9oFPqCpakePjtHGNf%3D4bzwDBzwADkDy%3DDNQ%40mail.gmail.com.
