Here. Mr Rao you are talking about nominee. Nominee is not equal to either or survivor clause. Nominee must prove that he is the sole legal heir for estate claims. Bank paid it wrongly so recovering. Illegal orders one need not obey. K. R
On Tue, 21 Oct, 2025, 15:46 R V Rao, <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes. sYou are absolutely correct, sir But my experience with some managers > was so bad, as abundant caution i thought of this. The only intention is my > anxiety that my wife is spared from of handling this type of some > unreasonable bank managers. > Case study : > My ex- boss's wife & her son were operating joint S B account in union > Bank of India Visakhapatnam. Nominee is his the daughter in law. > Boss's wife expired. Son also expired on the 12 th day of his mother's > death. Son' s wife was nominee > There was a payment of Rs 26000/- > received from Indian oil corporation in the account. This is called ex- > gratia payment. There is no direction to the bank to freeze and return the > money to Indian oil > When the nominee asked the bank and close the account. Account had one > lakh plus in addition to Rs 26,000/from IOC. > Bank manager refused till she returned the money received from Indian oil > inspite of no direction to that effect from Indian oil > Nominee pleaded with them to retain Rs26000/- and transfer the balance > amount to her individual account with same branch. This request for was > also turned down. > Poor lady appraised me over phone. > Nothing worked till the money received from Indian oil was refunded and a > clear receipt was produced. > In the absence of any specific instructions from Indian oil, is the bank > manager to interpret as he feels? > I had to spend time & energy and it took almost one month plus. > The last straw on the camels back was the manager not acting on the mail > received from Indian oil. Corporation but to wait for the production of the > receipt in physical form. > I am cynical to imagine how Vijay Mallya succeeded in his ability in not > repaying the borrowings from banks. A common person is made to suffer > > > > > On Tue, 21 Oct, 2025, 2:40 pm Rajaram Krishnamurthy, < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Mr R V Rao statement is against the law. Against the RBI regulations. >> No extra mandate is required as proposed by Mr Rao. had I been there that >> manger would have lost the job If facts of Rao's case were different >> (like either or survivor clause was not there or struck off or any lettre >> of intent was given to bank secretly about the right of one holder etc) I >> have nothing to say. But whether FD or SB the survivor on death without >> will or probation by producing death cert and ID can pre close or close the >> account or claim the balance. Vide attachments below: >> K Rajaram IRS 211025 >> >> >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 at 10:19, R V Rao <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Normally if a savings bank account holders operate joint account Either >>> or surviver clause, both have equal rights of operations. >>> I have come across cases where each bank have their own interpretation >>> on this clause. >>> I have known a case in Visakhapatnam where Bank manager refused to >>> honour the cheque of second survivor when the first account holder died. >>> Any amount of convincing failed. He was insisting many conditions. >>> In order to have hassle free transactions, i have appended below a >>> simple draft of letter to be given by both with a covering letter. >>> Both drafts are forwarded. I was totally helped by Chat Gpt. >>> Such of those interested may use the information. >>> >>> Joint Account Survivorship Declaration >>> >>> To: >>> The Branch Manager >>> ________________________ Bank >>> ________________________ Branch >>> (Branch Address) >>> >>> Subject: Confirmation of “Either or Survivor” Operation and Survivorship >>> Rights >>> >>> Account Details: >>> Savings Bank A/c No. ___________________________ >>> in the joint names of Mr. ______________________ and Mrs. >>> ______________________ >>> >>> Dear Sir/Madam, >>> >>> We, the undersigned joint account holders of the above-mentioned savings >>> bank account, confirm that the account is maintained with the operating >>> instruction “Either or Survivor.” >>> >>> We hereby declare and affirm that: >>> >>> 1. It is our clear and mutual intention that the survivor of us shall be >>> entitled to operate the account, withdraw the entire balance, and receive >>> any interest or proceeds thereof in the event of the death of one of us, >>> without the need for further authorisation from the heirs or legal >>> representatives of the deceased account holder. >>> >>> >>> 2. The bank may, upon being satisfied with the death certificate of the >>> deceased holder, act upon the survivor’s instructions for operation, >>> withdrawal, or closure of the account. >>> >>> >>> 3. This declaration is made in accordance with the provisions of the >>> Reserve Bank of India Master Circular on Customer Service in Banks >>> (DBR.No.Leg.BC.21/09.07.006/2015-16 and subsequent updates) permitting such >>> survivorship operations. >>> >>> >>> 4. We further confirm that this arrangement shall remain in force for >>> all renewals, transfers, or conversions of the account unless specifically >>> revoked in writing by both of us. >>> >>> >>> >>> We request you to kindly keep this declaration on your records for >>> future reference. >>> >>> Thanking you, >>> >>> Yours faithfully, >>> Covering Letter to Bank for Joint Account Survivorship Declaration >>> >>> To: >>> The Branch Manager >>> _______________________ Bank >>> _______________________ Branch >>> (Branch Address) >>> >>> Date: ____________ >>> >>> Subject: Submission of Declaration – Operation of Joint Account under >>> “Either or Survivor” Clause >>> >>> Dear Sir/Madam, >>> >>> We are joint holders of Savings Bank Account No. ______________________ >>> maintained at your branch in the names of: >>> >>> 1. Mr. ________________________________ >>> >>> >>> 2. Mrs. ________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> We wish to confirm that this account is operated under the “Either or >>> Survivor” instruction. >>> To avoid any future misunderstanding, we enclose herewith a Joint >>> Declaration signed by both account holders, affirming that the survivor >>> shall be entitled to operate or withdraw the balance in the event of the >>> death of either account holder, as per the Reserve Bank of India Master >>> Circular on Customer Service in Banks (DBR.No.Leg.BC.21/09.07.006/2015-16 >>> and subsequent updates). >>> >>> We request you kindly to: >>> >>> Acknowledge receipt of this declaration, and >>> >>> Record it in your branch documents for the above account. >>> >>> >>> Thanking you for your kind cooperation. >>> >>> Yours faithfully, >>> >>> Signature Name >>> >>> __________________________ Mr. __________________________ (First >>> Account Holder) >>> __________________________ Mrs. __________________________ (Second >>> Account Holder) >>> >>> >>> Enclosure: Joint Account Survivorship Declaration (1 copy) >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> ✅ Tip when you visit the branch: >>> >>> Take two copies of both this covering letter and the declaration. >>> >>> Hand one set to the bank and get the branch seal & signature on the >>> second set for your records. >>> Covering Letter to Bank for Joint Account Survivorship Declaration >>> >>> >>> >>> Covering letter. >>> >>> To: >>> The Branch Manager >>> _______________________ Bank >>> _______________________ Branch >>> (Branch Address) >>> >>> Date: ____________ >>> >>> Subject: Submission of Declaration – Operation of Joint Account under >>> “Either or Survivor” Clause >>> >>> Dear Sir/Madam, >>> >>> We are joint holders of Savings Bank Account No. ______________________ >>> maintained at your branch in the names of: >>> >>> 1. Mr. ________________________________ >>> >>> >>> 2. Mrs. ________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> We wish to confirm that this account is operated under the “Either or >>> Survivor” instruction. >>> To avoid any future misunderstanding, we enclose herewith a Joint >>> Declaration signed by both account holders, affirming that the survivor >>> shall be entitled to operate or withdraw the balance in the event of the >>> death of either account holder, as per the Reserve Bank of India Master >>> Circular on Customer Service in Banks (DBR.No.Leg.BC.21/09.07.006/2015-16 >>> and subsequent updates). >>> >>> We request you kindly to: >>> >>> Acknowledge receipt of this declaration, and >>> >>> Record it in your branch documents for the above account. >>> >>> >>> Thanking you for your kind cooperation. >>> >>> Yours faithfully, >>> >>> Signature Name >>> >>> __________________________ Mr. __________________________ (First >>> Account Holder) >>> __________________________ Mrs. __________________________ (Second >>> Account Holder) >>> >>> >>> Enclosure: Joint Account Survivorship Declaration (1 copy) >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> ✅ Tip when you visit the branch: >>> >>> Take two copies of both this covering letter and the declaration. >>> >>> Hand one set to the bank and get the branch seal & signature on the >>> second set for your records. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "societyforservingseniors" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/society4servingseniors/CAPVuisW4v-ewkuUSv5xFiyZo9QREJSkz1_OrGjGFbhXi3tkS0g%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/society4servingseniors/CAPVuisW4v-ewkuUSv5xFiyZo9QREJSkz1_OrGjGFbhXi3tkS0g%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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