Thank you Gotra gana pravara are roots of the Indian society scientifically proven without DNA test KR
On Fri, 13 Mar 2026 at 15:29, APS Mani <[email protected]> wrote: > Knowledge, per se, is essential. Just Google copy or search is NOTHING > (anyone can explore), and thus what you have stated is pertinent. Thanks, > > > Mani > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2026 at 3:22 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Gothra system >> >> >> >> Gothra system started during Yajurveda period >> >> A-20. There is a thinking like that .The gotra system is part of a system >> of classification or identification of various Brahmin families in ancient >> times. *The gotra classification took form probably sometime during the >> Yajur Veda period, after the Rig Veda period.* It is believed that the >> gotras (now account to a total of 49) started to consolidate some around >> 10-8 Century B.C. The present day gotra classification is created from a >> core of 8 rishis (The Saptha rishis + Aga Agastya). The Seven rishis are >> Gautama, Bhardwaja, Vishwamitra, Jamadagni, Vasistha, Kashyapa and Atri. >> Seven Rishis (Saptarshi) are recognized as the mind born sons of the >> creator Brahma. They desired offspring and received it. All present day >> Brahmin communities are said to be descendants of these 8 Rishis. Over the >> years the number of gotras incresed due to: Descendents of these Rishis >> also started new family lineage or new gotras (Kaundinya was a descendent >> of Vasihta, Vishwamitra was a descendent of Kaushika and Vatsa was a >> descendent of Jamadagni). Inspired by a saint whose name they bear as their >> own Gotra. The lines of descent from the major rishis are originally >> divided into Ganas [sub divisions] and each Gana is further divided into >> families. However, subsequently the term gotra is frequently applied to the >> ganas and to the families within the ganas interchangeably. >> >> Kula devata principle originated. >> >> These Rishis belonged to different sects like Shakti, Shavites and >> Vishnavites and had different deities for worship. Such deities came to be >> known as the Kuladevatas. >> >> The purpose of Gothra origination? >> >> The gotras of GSBs is believed to be originated from the ten Rishis. >> Bharadwaj, Kausika, Vatsa, Kaundinya, Kashyapa, Atri, Vashista, Jamadagni, >> Gautam and Vishwamitra (Kamshi) The gotra system was instituted for the >> purposes of identifying one's ancestors and pay respects during various >> invocations and other rituals to honor their fathers, fore-fathers and so >> on, up to their respective Rishis. This was later extended to other aspects >> of the Brahmin life, such as Marriage and temple worship. In present days, >> marriage will not be allowed within the same gotra in order to avoid impure >> matrimony. This thinking is in tune with the modern day genetic paradigms >> of hybrid vigor. >> >> Many famous gothrams >> >> There are more than 120 Gothras known amongst the Brahmins. Under the >> Sapta-Rishi grouping, each Rishi's lineage has its own sublineage or >> grouping with Single, three, five or Seven Rishis, which are referrred to >> in the Pravaram. You can get the Rishis group, sub-lineage of the >> Sapthra-Rishis and the Gothra Pravaram from this page. >> >> The speciality of Angirasa, Kanva and Bhargava >> >> Among the Gothra analysis of Pravaras, one can see the Aankirasa >> Rishi appears 12 times including multiple versions. Aankirasa is the Rishi >> with whom more than half of the Atharva Veda samhitas are associated. An >> analysis of the Rishis associated with the Veda Mantras will give info on >> the other Rishis associated with the Gothras and their lineage. Sage Kanva >> is the foster father of Sakuntala celebrated by Kaalidasa. Bhargava referes >> to the lineage of Bhrigu Maharishi, the foster father of Maha Lakshmi >> worshipped as Bhargavi. >> >> According to Panini and Baudhayana what is the explanation of >> gothrams? {G simply wrote without any data so added here} >> >> In general, gotra denotes all persons who trace descent in >> an unbroken male line from a common male ancestor. Panini defines gotra for >> grammatical purposes as *' apatyam pautra prabhrti gotram' (IV. 1. 162),* >> which >> means 'the word gotra denotes the progeny (of a sage) beginning with the >> son's son. When a person says ' I am Kashypasagotra' he means that he >> traces his descent from the ancient sage Kashyapa by unbroken male descent. >> According to the Baudhâyanas'rauta-sûtra Vishvâmitra, Jamadagni, >> Bharadvâja, Gautama, Atri, Vasishtha, Kashyapa and Agastya are 8 sages; the >> progeny of these eight sages is declared to be gotras. The offspring >> (apatya) of these eight are gotras and others than these are called *' >> gotrâ vayava* '. The gotras are arranged in groups, e. g. there are >> according to the Âsvalâyana-srautasûtra, four subdivisions of the *Vasishtha >> gana, viz. Upamanyu, Parasara, Kundina and Vasishtha* (other than the >> first three). >> >> {{{ Parasara (Parāśara): A famous Maharshi, grandson of Vasishta and son >> of Shakti. He is well-known as the father of Sage Vyasa and for composing >> the Parashara Smriti. He is often described as a Rishi who could break the >> web of sins. >> >> Upamanyu: A revered Rishi associated with intense devotion to Shiva (Siva >> Panchakshari and Shiva Sahasranama). He is often described as a disciple of >> Sage Ayoda-Dhaumya and is mentioned in the Shiva Purana as the son of >> Vyaghrapada. He is also considered a Rishi of the Rig-Veda. >> >> Kundina (Kaundinya): A Rishi associated with the lineage of Maitravarun >> (also known as Agastya). The descendants in this lineage are called Kundin >> or Kaundinya, with many settled in South India. >> >> These three are grouped under the Vasishta Gana (or Vasishta Vamsha), one >> of the main lineages in the brahminical system of Gotra and Pravara.}}} >> >> [[[Gothra and Pravara- 6. Vasishta-2 >> >> (Sakthi Cont.,) He was the rishi for 7:32:26. It is said that he was >> forcibly thrown into fire by Vishwamitra and his followers and he recited >> half of this mantra before dying and the remaining half was completed by >> Vasishta, his father. Another version was that he was killed by >> Kalmashapada, while he was suffering the curse of becoming a demon and on >> the direction of Vishwamitra. >> >> Gopayana, Bharadvaja, Apasthamba, and Arnodara were his disciples. >> >> Parasara: At the time of the death of Sakthi Son of Vasishta, Adrusyanthi >> wife of Sakthi was pregnant. She wanted to commit suicide on hearing the >> death of her husband. Vasishta foresaw that a brilliant boy was in her >> womb, and his son Veda Vyasa was likely to be born in future, consoled his >> daughter-in-law and sought a promise that she would not take such drastic >> action. One-day Vasishta heard distinct sounds of chanting Vedas. >> Adrusyanthi said that the child of Sakthi in her womb is chanting Vedic >> sounds. >> >> Another version was that Vasishta wanted to commit suicide on hearing >> that all his 100 sons were killed. But failed in his attempts. He dropped >> his idea of committing suicide on hearing that his daughter in law ‘s >> carrying. This child was named as Parasara because he consoled his >> grandfather Vasishtha even when he was in the womb. Parasara means a rishi >> who can break the web of vices and sins by his presence and look. Parasara >> was found proficient in Vedas and sasthras even as a still born child. >> >> According to Parasara Smriti, He was born when his mother was just 12 >> years old, and his father was killed by a demon. >> >> Niruktha says that he was the son of Vasishta himself. >> >> Since his father was killed by Rakshasas, he had animosity against them. >> He started a Yaga which resulted in the killing of thousands of Rakshasas. >> Vasishta and Pulasthya told him that the death of a person is natural, and >> Rakshasas were instrumental. They asked him to shun his violent anger which >> would speak against the greatness of a person. They also advised Parasara >> to stop killing innocent rakshasas. He stopped the Yaga on their advice. >> >> He was the disciple of Kapila. He learned Vishnu Purana from Pulasthya >> and taught it to Maitreya a friend of Vyasa. >> >> According to Matsya Purana, the following belong to Parasara’s clan. >> >> 1. Kandasaya, Vahanapa, Jaithapa, Bhaumatapana, and Gopaali are >> Fair-complexioned. >> >> 2. Prapohaya, Vahmaya, Khyateya, Kautujaati, and Haryasvi are Blue. >> >> 3. Krishnaayan, Kapimukha, Kakeyastha, Japati and Pushkar are black. >> >> 4. Sravisthayana, Baaleya, Swatashta Upaya and Ishikahasta are white. >> >> 5. Vatika, Badari, Stambha, Krodhanayana and Kshaimi are Syama Parasaras. >> >> Other sutras mention that the Parasara Gothra was divided into 11 sub >> gothras depending on the complexion of persons belonging to each >> subdivision. They are Krishna, Gaura, Aruna, Neela, Sveta, Syama, Kshama, >> Dhumra, Rakta, Sukla, Aukshana. Each subdivision consists 5 gothras >> totaling 55 gothras. >> >> Veda Vyasa was the son of Parasara through Sathyavathi from a fisherman’s >> family. >> >> He was the rishi for the sukthas 1:65-73 of Rig-Veda. He had also written >> a Smriti having the religious codes to be followed in Kaliyuga (Kalou >> Parasara Smriti) >> >> Parasarya: He was a sage and was the disciple of Indrapramathi. He was a >> member of the courts of Indra and Yudhishthira. Sri Krishna visited him >> once while going from Dwarka to Hastinapura >> >> Painga: He was Disciple of Jathukarnya and learned Rigveda. Painga had >> written Niruktha a book on grammar. >> >> 16. Kavyayana, >> >> Pravara: 1. Vasishta, Sakthya, Parasara Thrayarsheya >> >> 2. Vasishta, Sakthya, Parasara, Painga chathvarsheya >> >> Kavyayana: He was the son of Rukshaya. His clan became brahmins. >> >> 17. Bhaumathapayana, 18. Bymathayana >> >> Pravara: 1. Vasishta, Sakthya, Parasara Thrayarsheya >> >> Bhaumathapayana: He belongs to Parasara’s family. >> >> Information could not be found in respect of - Bymathayana, >> >> 19. Mythravaruna >> >> Pravara; 1. Bhrigurdhava, Vardheyasva, Mythravaruna thrayarsheya >> >> 2. Vaasishta, Mythravaruna, Koundinya Thrayarsheya >> >> Bhrigurdhava: He was the son of Varuna. He approached his father and >> asked the way to have knowledge about Brahma. Varuna said that Anna, Prana, >> Chakshu, and Ananda were the Brahma. >> >> Vardheyasva: Information could not be found. >> >> 20 Bodhayana, 21. Hiranyakshayana >> >> Pravara: Vaasishta, Mythravaruna, Kowndinya thrayarsheya >> >> Bodhayana: He was the Disciple of Indrapramathi. He has written Kalpa >> sutras. Sulbha sutras. He was also attributed of having written Dharma >> sastra (rules of law) >> >> Hiranyakshayana: One of the sons of Vishwamitra and a brahmavettha >> >> 22. Vasishta >> >> Pravara:1. Vasishta Ekarsheya >> >> Note: - with this Vasishta gothras are complete]]] >> >> (((Based on traditional Vedic and Puranic literature, Rishi >> Vasishta and Kundin (Koundinya Rishi) are related, with Kundin often >> described as a descendant of Vasishta or associated with the Vasishta >> lineage. According to the Vayu Purana (70.90), Koundinya Rishi (Kundin) is >> mentioned in the context of the Vasishta lineage.The Vasishta Gotra is >> derived from Sage Vasishta. Koundinya is recognized as a separate rishi but >> is often linked directly or as a descendant of Vasishta. In many Brahmin >> lineages, the Gotra is referred to as "Vashishta-Koundinya," indicating a >> close connection where Koundinya is a progenitor of a branch within or >> directly connected to the Vasishta line. >> >> Sage Vasishta and Sage Upamanyu are closely related in Hindu >> tradition, with Upamanyu often considered a disciple or a >> descendant/relative belonging to the Vasishta gotra (lineage). Some >> accounts describe Upamanyu as a nephew to Vasishta, and in certain >> narratives, Upamanyu receives spiritual guidance or benefits from >> Vasishta's ashram. Family Relation: In some traditional accounts, Upamanyu >> is described as the son of Vasishta's sister. Parasara is also a direct >> relation SO GANA))) >> >> Each of these four again has numerous subsections, each >> being called gotra. So the arrangement is first into ganas, then into >> pakshas, then into individual gotras. The first has survived in the Bhrigu >> and Ângirasa gana. According to Baud, the principal eight gotras were >> divided into pakshas. >> >> *Pravaras* >> >> The pravara of Upamanyu is Vasishtha, Bharadvasu, Indrapramada; the >> pravara of the Parâshara gotra is Vasishtha, Shâktya, Pârâsharya; the >> pravara of the Kundina gotra is Vasishtha, Maitrâvaruna, Kaundinya and the >> pravara of Vasishthas other than these three is simply Vasishtha. It is >> therefore that some define pravara as the group of sages that distinguishes >> the founder (lit. the starter) of one gotra from another. There are two >> kinds of pravaras, 1) sishya-prasishya-rishiparampara, and 2) >> putr-parampara. *Gotra-pravaras can be ekarsheya, dwarsheya, >> triarsheya, pancharsheya, saptarsheya, and up to 19 rishis* . Kashyapasa >> gotra has at least two distinct pravaras in Andhra Pradesh: one with three >> sages (triarsheya pravara) and the other with seven sages (saptarsheya >> pravara). >> >> * Some argument is there that in gothra were different sishya >> pravaras are there marriage is permissible with in the gothra.* How far >> it is correct? This pravara may be either sishya-prasishya-rishi-parampara >> or putra parampara. When it is sishya-prasishya-rishi-parampara marriage *is >> not acceptable if half or more than half of the rishis are same in both >> bride and bridegroom gotras.* *If it is putra parampara, marriage is >> totally unacceptable even if one rishi matches*. >> >> K Rajaram IRS 13326 >> >> >> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZorfem3MBD734umPs4XYD6hcXC31U%2BC8axFJrV2B2-jGtg%40mail.gmail.com.
