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translating all the sanskrit original verses. Gopala krishnan write up is
to be read very carefully as all may not be correct . Google will present
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From: gopala krishnan <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 15 May 2026 at 19:50
Subject: Re: SAGE VISHRAVAS-PART 1
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On Fri, 15 May 2026 at 19:15, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
wrote:
Mahabhartha vana parva 3 272-276 visrtavas vs visravana
SECTION CCLXXII “Markandeya said, ‘. And now, O king, I will
relate unto thee birth of Ravana. That Lord of all creatures and the
Creator of the Universe viz., the Self-create Prajapati himself—that god
possessed of great ascetic merit—is the grandfather of Ravana. Brahma .
And Pulastya hath a mighty son called Vaisnavara begotten of a cow. But his
son, leaving his father, went to his grandfather, Brahma. And, O king,
angered at this, his father then created a second self of himself. And with
half of his own self that regenerate one became born of Visrava for
wrecking a vengeance on Vaisravana. But the Grandsire, pleased with
Vaisravana, gave him immortality, and sovereignty of all the wealth of the
Universe, the guardianship of one of the cardinal points, the friendship of
Isana, and a son named Nalakuvera. And he also gave him for his capital
Lanka, which was guarded by hosts of Rakshasas, and also a chariot called
Pushpaka capable of going everywhere according to the will of the rider.
And the kingship of the Yakshas and the sovereignty over sovereigns were
also his.’”
SECTION CCLXXIII Markandeya said, “The Muni named
Visrava, who was begotten of half the soul of Pulastya, in a fit of
passion, began to look upon Vaisravana with great anger. But, O monarch,
Kuvera, the king of the Rakshasas, knowing that his father was angry with
him, always sought to please him. And, O best of Bharata’s race, that king
of kings living in Lanka, and borne upon the shoulders of men, sent three
Rakshasa women to wait upon his father. Their names, O king, were
Pushpotkata, Raka and Malini. And they were skilled in singing and dancing and
were always assiduous in their attentions on that high-souled Rishi. And
those slender-waisted ladies vied with one another, O king, in gratifying
the Rishi. And that high-souled and adorable being was pleased with them
and granted them boons. And to every one of them he gave princely sons
according to their desire. Two sons—those foremost of Rakshasas named
Kumbakarna and the Ten-headed Ravana, —both unequalled on earth in prowess,
were born to Pushpotkata. And Malini had a son named Vibhishana, and Raka
had twin children named Khara and Surpanakha. And Vibhishana surpassed them
all in beauty. And that excellent person was very pious and assiduously
performed all religious rites. But that foremost of Rakshasas, with ten
heads, was the eldest to them all. And he was religious, and energetic and
possessed of great strength and prowess. And the Rakshasa Kumbakarna was
the most powerful in battle, for he was fierce and terrible and a thorough
master of the arts of illusion. And Khara was proficient in archery, and
hostile to the Brahmanas, subsisting as he did on flesh. And the fierce
Surpanakha was constant source of trouble to the ascetics. And the
warriors, learned in the Vedas and diligent in ceremonial rites, all lived
with their father in the Gandhamadana. And there they beheld Vaisravana
seated with their father, possessed of riches and borne on the shoulders of
men. And seized with jealousy, they resolved upon performing penances. And
with ascetic penances of the most severe kind, they gratified Brahma. And
the Ten-headed Ravana, supporting life by means of air alone and surrounded
by the five sacred fires and absorbed in meditation, remained standing on
one leg for a thousand years. And Kumbakarna with head downwards, and with
restricted diet, was constant in austerities. And the wise and magnanimous
Vibhishana, observing fasts and subsisting only on dry leaves and engaged
in meditation, practised severe austerities for a long period. And Khara
and Surpanakha, with cheerful hearts, protected and attended on them while
they were performing those austerities. And at the close of a thousand
years, the invincible Ten-headed One, cutting off his own heads, offered
them as offering to the sacred fire. And at this act of his, the Lord of
the Universe was pleased with him. And then Brahma, personally appearing to
them, bade them desist from those austerities and promised to grant boons
unto every one of them. And the adorable Brahma said, I am pleased with
you, my sons! Cease now from these austerities and ask boons of me!
Whatever your desires may be, they, with the single exception of that of
immortality, will be fulfilled! As thou hast offered thy heads to the fire
from great ambition, they will again adorn thy body as before, according to
thy desire. And thy body will not be disfigured and thou shall be able to
assume any form according to thy desire and become the conqueror of thy
foes in battle. There is no doubt of this!’ thereupon Ravana said, ‘May I
never experience defeat at the hands of Gandharvas, Celestials, Kinnaras,
Asuras, Yakshas, Rakshasas, Serpents and all other creatures!’ Brahma said,
‘From those that hast named, thou shalt never have cause of fear; except
from men (thou shalt have no occasion for fear). Good betide thee! So hath
it been ordained by me!’
“Markandeya said, ‘Thus addressed, the Ten-headed (Ravana) was highly
gratified, for on account of his perverted understanding, the man-eating
one slightened human beings. Then the great Grandsire addressed Kumbhakarna
as before. His reason being clouded by darkness, he asked for long-lasting
sleep. Saying, ‘It shall be so’ ‘Brahma then addressed Vibhishana, ‘O my
son, I am much pleased with thee! Ask any boon thou pleasest!’ Thereupon,
Vibhishana replied, ‘Even in great danger, may I never swerve from the path
of righteousness, and though ignorant, may I, O adorable Sire, be illumined
with the light of divine knowledge!’ And Brahma replied, ‘O scourge of thy
enemies, as thy soul inclines not to unrighteousness although born in the
Rakshasa race, I grant thee immortality!’
“Markandeya continued, ‘Having obtained this boon, the Ten-headed Rakshasa
defeated Kuvera in battle and obtained from him the sovereignty of Lanka.
That adorable Being, leaving Lanka and followed by Gandharvas, Yakshas,
Rakshas, and Kinnaras, went to live on mount Gandhamadana. And Ravana
forcibly took from him the celestial chariot Pushpaka. And upon this
Vaisravana cursed him, saying, ‘This chariot shall never carry thee; it
shall bear him who will slay thee in battle! And as thou hast insulted me,
thy elder brother, thou shalt soon die!’
“The pious Vibhishana, O King, treading in the path followed by the
virtuous and possessed of great glory, followed Kuvera. That adorable Lord
of wealth, highly pleased with his younger brothers, invested him with the
command of the Yaksha and Raksha hosts. On the other hand, the powerful and
man-eating Rakshasas and Pisachas, having assembled together, invested the
Ten-headed Ravana with their sovereignty. And Ravana, capable of assuming
any form at will and terrible in prowess, and capable also of passing
through the air, attacked the gods and the Daityas and wrested from them
all their valuable possessions. And as he had terrified all creatures, he
was called Ravana. And Ravana, capable of mustering any measure of might
inspired the very gods with terror.”
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On Thu, 14 May 2026 at 11:39, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty <
[email protected]> wrote:
*SAGE VISHRAVAS**-PART 1*
*Introduction*
Sage Vishravas (or Vishrava) is a revered figure in Hindu mythology, best
known as *a great sage and the father of Ravana, the antagonist of the
Ramayana*. He is a significant figure regarding lineage and spiritual
accomplishment.
*Key Aspects of Sage Vishravas:*
Lineage: He is the son of the *sage Pulastya*, one of the ten Prajapatis or
mind-born sons of Brahma. His mother was Havirbhu( Manini)
Spiritual Accomplishments: Vishravas achieved immense spiritual and
scholarly power through intense penance and tapasya.
Family: He had two wives *Kaikesi and Ilavida*
He is the father of *Ravana, Kumbhakarna, Vibhishana, and Surpanakha *(by
his wife Kaikesi), and he is also the father of Kubera (by his wife
Ilavida).
Character: Unlike his demon sons, Vishravas was known for his virtuous,
righteous, and scholarly nature.
*Sage Vishravas during Sathya Yuga*
Sage Vishravas was alive during the Satya Yuga (also known as the Krita
Yuga).
*According to the Uttara Kanda of the Valmiki Ramayana, his conception,
birth, and early life of severe penance took place during this first golden
age of the universe*.
Because powerful Vedic sages possessed immensely long lifespans spanning
millions of human years, his life extended across multiple epochs.
*Timeline of His Life Across the Yugas*
*Satya Yuga (The Golden Age):*
His father, the Prajapati sage Pulastya, was performing intense austerities
on *Mount Meru* during this epoch. Vishravas was born here to Pulastya and
Manini.
*He grew up during the Satya Yuga*, mastering the Vedas and executing his
own deep spiritual penances. He also married his first wife, Ilavida
(daughter of Sage Bharadwaja), and fathered Kubera, the Lord of Wealth.
*Sage Vishravas in Treta Yuga (The Silver Age):*
As time progressed into the *Treta Yuga, Vishravas was approached by the
Rakshasa princess Kaikesi*. Through this union, he fathered Ravana,
Kumbhakarna, Vibhishana, and Surpanakha.
While his most famous descendants (like Ravana) defined the events of the
Treta Yuga, his foundational years and spiritual roots belong completely to
the Satya Yuga.
*Curse of Sage Pulastya which led to his birth and the reasons behind
his marriage to Kaikesi*
According to the Uttara Kanda of the Ramayana, both the father’s curse that
led to Vishrava's birth and the tactical reasons behind his marriage to
Kaikesi are vital milestones that shaped the epic's lineage.
*1 The Father's Curse Leading to Vishrava's Birth*
The birth of Sage Vishrava was the direct consequence of a protective curse
uttered by his father, Maharishi Pulastya.
The Disturbance: Maharishi Pulastya was performing intense austerities and
penance on Mount Meru. *His focus was repeatedly broken by celestial
maidens, daughters of other sages, and Nagas dancing and playing music
nearby*.
The Curse: Annoyed by the constant disruptions, Pulastya decreed a curse: Any
woman who entered his line of sight would instantly become pregnant.
The Conception: Unaware of this new curse, *Manini (Havirbhu), the daughter
of Sage Trinabindu*, wandered into the ashram looking for her friends. As
soon as she looked at the sage, she instantly showed signs of pregnancy.
The Marriage and Birth: Realizing what happened, Trinabindu offered his
daughter to Pulastya in marriage.
Pleased by her devotion and the fact that she had been listening to the
recitation of the Vedas during her pregnancy, Pulastya blessed the child. *The
child was named Vishrava, meaning "one who is widely heard or renowned".*
*2. The Reasons behind Vishrava's Marriage to Kaikesi*
Vishrava's subsequent marriage to the demoness Kaikesi was an intentional
political and genetic strategy engineered by the Rakshasa clan to reclaim
their power.
The Loss of Lanka:
The Rakshasas, led by King Sumali (Kaikesi’s father), had been *defeated
by Lord Vishnu* and driven into the underworld (Patala). Meanwhile,
Vishrava’s eldest son from a previous marriage, *Kubera, was granted the
golden city of Lanka by Lord Brahma.*
Sumali’s Strategy: *Sumali saw Kubera flying in his glorious Pushpaka
Vimana* and realized that the ultimate way to defeat the gods was to breed
a lineage that combined the raw physical power of the Rakshasas with the
supreme spiritual intellect of a Brahmin sage.
The Seduction and Union: *Sumali commanded his daughter Kaikesi to approach
Sage Vishrava and convince him to marry her*.
She approached the sage during an inauspicious evening hour while he was
performing a yajna (fire ritual).
The Omen and Destiny: Vishrava agreed to her request but warned her that
because she approached him during a fierce, inauspicious hour, their
children would be born with ruthless and cruel demonic natures.
*When Kaikesi begged for mercy, he softened the prediction, stating
that **their
youngest* child would be exceptionally righteous.
This union resulted in the births of Ravana, Kumbhakarna, Shurpanakha, and
finally, the virtuous Vibhishana.
*Kubera -elder brother of Ravana*
Kubera was the elder half-brother of Ravana. They shared the same father,
Sage Vishrava, but had different mothers:
Kubera's Mother: Ilavida (or Devavarnini), a Brahmin woman and the daughter
of Sage Bharadwaja.
Ravana's Mother: Kaikesi, a Rakshasi (demoness) and the daughter of the
Rakshasa king Sumali.
*Pushpakavimana*
Because Kubera was the first born, he inherited the golden city of Lanka
and the Pushpaka Vimana (flying chariot) long before Ravana and his
siblings were even born. *Ravana later drove Kubera out of Lanka to claim
the kingdom for himself.*
*How Kubera inherited Lanka and Pushpaka vimana*
Before Kubera took possession of them, the golden city of Lanka and the
Pushpaka Vimana had entirely different origins and previous owners
according to the Valmiki Ramayana.
*1. The Original Owners of Lanka*:
Before Kubera colonized it, *Lanka was originally a stronghold for the
Rakshasas*.
The Architects: The three brothers Malyavan, Sumali, and Mali (Ravana's
maternal grandfather and great-uncles) commanded Vishwakarma, the divine
architect, to build an impregnable city. Vishwakarma built the golden
fortress on Trikuta Mountain.
The Abandonment: *The three brothers ruled Lanka* for thousands of years
and grew so powerful they attacked the Devas (gods).* Lord Vishnu
intervened and soundly defeated them,* killing Mali. Terrified, Sumali and
Malyavan fled with the surviving Rakshasas into the underworld (Patala
Loka), leaving Lanka completely abandoned and empty.
Kubera's Entry: Upon the advice of his father Sage Vishrava, Kubera moved
into the vacant, luxurious ghost city and *established his Yaksha kingdom
there.*
*2. The Original Owner of the Pushpaka Vimana: Lord Brahma*
The Pushpaka Vimana did not originally belong to anyone on Earth; it was a
divine property.
The Creator: Vishwakarma built the Pushpaka Vimana specifically for Lord
Brahma, the creator god.
The Gift: Lord Brahma used the aerial chariot for thousands of years. Later,
pleased by Kubera's intense penance and austerity (tapasya), Brahma granted
Kubera the status of the God of Wealth and gifted him the Pushpaka Vimana
as a personal vehicle.
*Why Kubera has fewer teeth –*
According to later Puranic texts, Kubera has only *eight teeth (and three
legs) *as a literal manifestation of his hybrid lineage, which represents
the transition from a fierce, monstrous Asura/Rakshasa into a benevolent,
wealthy Deva.
His distinct dental and physical appearance is rooted in specific
mythological and symbolic reasons:
1. The Dual Asura-Brahmin Lineage
*In early Vedic texts, Kubera was actually designated as the chief of evil
spirits, thieves, and Rakshasas before he gained godhood through severe
penance (tapasya).*
The Demonic Manifestation: To visually represent this darker, "monstrous"
heritage, the Puranas describe his facial features with explicit physical
deformities, specifying a set of only eight snaggle teeth (sometimes
described as two small protruding tusks).
Symbolism of the Teeth: According to texts like the Vishnudharmottara
Purana, these limited, protruding teeth/tusks are not a random deformity;
they symbolise his power to punish wrongdoers and bestow favours on the
righteous.
*2. The Curse of Goddess Parvati*
Another deeply entrenched mythological reason for his overall physical
asymmetry stems from an incident with Lord Shiva and Goddess Parvati:
The Gaze: When Kubera went to Kailash to visit Lord Shiva, *he was stunned
by the divine, radiant beauty of Goddess Parvati.*
The Consequence: He looked at her with a hint of envy or improper intent in
one eye. Angered by his look, Parvati cursed him.
The curse instantly burnt one of his eyes out (turning it yellow/grey),
crippled his body (resulting in three legs), and deformed his jaw and
facial features.
The Softened Curse: *When Kubera repented, Shiva pacified Parvati*. She
softened the curse but left the physical traits intact as a reminder,
renaming him Ekakshipingala (one who has one yellow eye) and acknowledging
his deformed body as his permanent divine form.
3. Symbolic Iconography of Wealth
In Hindu and Buddhist iconographies, deities associated with hidden
under-earth treasures (like Yakshas) are *deliberately depicted as stout,
dwarfish, and physically irregular. Kubera’s heavy pot-belly, three legs,
and missing teeth underscore the ancient philosophical concept that outer
physical beauty does not equal inner spiritual or material wealth*
Hindu texts, combined with the spiritual symbolism of his physical form.
1. Chronological Evolution in Sacred Texts
The description of Kubera changed drastically as Vedic literature evolved
into the Puranas:
The Early Vedic Period: In the Atharvaveda and Shatapatha Brahmana, Kubera
was not originally praised as a radiant celestial deity. He was introduced
as the chief of evil spirits, spirits of darkness, and the Lord of thieves
and criminals. Because he ruled over subterranean spirits (Yakshas and
Guhyakas) who guarded buried dirt and stones, early texts associated him
with a low, chaotic, or chthonic status.
The Epic & Puranic Period: As centuries passed, his narrative underwent a
massive elevation.
Through intense penance (tapasya), he won the favour of Lord Brahma and was
officially elevated to a Lokapala (guardian of the universe) and the God of
Wealth. The Puranas then solidified his highly respected Brahmin parentage
to match his new divine status.
*The Nature of the "Yaksha" Species*
Even though his parents were Brahmins, Kubera was crowned the King of the
Yakshas.
In Hindu cosmology, Yakshas are nature-spirits. They are traditionally
depicted as earthly, rajasic (passionate/materialistic) beings.
Because they deal directly with heavy, material wealth (gold, gems, and
metals extracted from the dirty earth), their physical forms are
iconographically drawn as heavy, stocky, and irregular, contrasting with
the sharp, luminous, weightless forms of the Devas (like Indra or Surya).
Esoteric and Symbolic Interpretation
>From a spiritual and esoteric perspective, Kubera’s physical irregularities
(eight teeth, a deformed jaw, and three legs) represent the heavy,
asymmetrical nature of earthly wealth.
Material wealth is inherently unevenly distributed and can cause spiritual
weight ("pot-belly"). Therefore, his physical description carries remnants
of his early Vedic identity as a leader of earthly spirits, despite his
flawless Brahmin family tree.
*I will continue in next posting.*
*Compiled and posted from Google search by R. Gopalakrishnan, ( former ITS)
on 14-05-2026*
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