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Group: firstname.lastname@example.org Url: https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!forum/the-free-thinkers-email/topics - Infonomics [1 Update] http://groups.google.com/group/the-free-thinkers-email/t/986b994d2cc76f96 - Infonomics & The Governance of China [was: WW3 FOR DUMMIES ] [1 Update] http://groups.google.com/group/the-free-thinkers-email/t/1da81b19aa65f0d7 ============================================================================= Topic: Infonomics Url: http://groups.google.com/group/the-free-thinkers-email/t/986b994d2cc76f96 ============================================================================= ---------- 1 of 1 ---------- From: Evan Jones <evanj.ba...@gmail.com> Date: Oct 16 06:16AM +0700 Url: http://groups.google.com/group/the-free-thinkers-email/msg/2c44b291a3f41 > Evan has very good company > http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-election/donald-trumps-true-believers-ride-the-conspiracy-train-20161014-gs2bg1.html Yellow journalism: "Trump's language took on an even more dark and apocalyptic tone.." "Trump snarled into his microphone.." Sadly, the low standard of both presidential candidates should be a big worry to all Americans. America's political system seems to now be following that of the Indonesia and the Philippines, both whom post Marcos/Suharto were given a much ballyhooed system of "demokrasi", praised and managed by Western NGOs , but sadly operated by dull, untalented, self serving politicians of the lowest possible standard. Stupid, ill thought out laws appear at regular intervals. Big foreign corporations are free to peddle the worst toxic foodstuffs, ideas and entertainment. Natural resources get shipped off at cost plus a few percentage points payoff. Billions in public money is wasted buying worthless armaments that will never be used. At least, the politicos in those two mismanaged countries lack the capability to go around starting wars. -- -- Currently in Batam Indonesian Mobile: +62 811 777 994 Marine-Projects.net -- "A lie becomes the truth when: the media report it, the academics teach it, and the historians record it." Harland Wolf, Bangkok 2016. -- ============================================================================= Topic: Infonomics & The Governance of China [was: WW3 FOR DUMMIES ] Url: http://groups.google.com/group/the-free-thinkers-email/t/1da81b19aa65f0d7 ============================================================================= ---------- 1 of 1 ---------- From: Evan Jones <evanj.ba...@gmail.com> Date: Oct 15 08:50PM +0700 Url: http://groups.google.com/group/the-free-thinkers-email/msg/2a5640bcd7d56 Wei Ling sent a link which quotes the New York Times stating that: > "Lack Of Major Wars May Be Hurting Economic Growth" >http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-14/new-york-times-says-lack-major-wars-may-be-hurting-economic-growth Sadly, we have somehow drifted off into ad hominien name-calling land, without directly addressing a single one of the assertions made by Mike King in his illustrated essay: "WW3 For Dummies" http://www.tomatobubble.com/id686.html Every assertion of King is so un-erringly true, that the TV-Watchers in this email thread, are obliged to kind-of skip past what King tells us about our media's constant stream of war mongering lies, such as: - The phony Ghouta gas attack of 2013 - The American Jewish lobby's use of this fake attack to call for war against Syria - The NY Time's 3 year record of 301 front page stories carrying a negative headline and slant towards Russia, and 123 stories equally critical of China. - The American Neocon engineered coup in Ukraine in 2014 - Donald's Trump's openly stated desire to get along with Russia and avoid World War 3 [which] has earned him the contempt of the Globalist elite. One of the most intense propaganda campaigns in history has been aimed at Trump. During the final stretch of the campaign, the New York Times has been running as many as 10 attack items in a single day! There are many other examples of media lies, such as those used to start earlier wars, of which we must surely all be aware of? (Russ?) Such as the sinking of the USS Maine, the sinking of the Lusitanea, the non existent Gulf of Tonkin incident, Saddam's imaginary involvement in Al Queda, WMD's and attacks on 9/11 + dozens more. Kevin M wrote: >Brother Nathaniel presents a good summary of how we are being set up for WW3 >in this 8 minute video: >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbmpwE4K3E4 WHO IS READING THIS EMAIL? Participants in this email thread have a lot in common and a lot that divides them. Like most of us here, I'm in my 60s and becoming settled into my own little expat bubble; from a perch where it is easy relatively easy to visit a number of disparate countries, to observe how other cultures and viewpoints, are being manipulated, at first hand. I'm interested to learn about what polarizes this email group of opinionated white males [which seems to be] divided into : 1] the stay-at-home TV watchers, (who tend to believe what the media tells them) and 2] the expatriate border hoppers, most of whom have stopped reading newspapers or watching TV. And all of whom have long concluded that 9/11 was an inside job. For those seeking a wider perspective, the insights of China watcher Jeff G. Brown are well worth a listen: Brown is an American in his 60s, who speaks and reads Arabic, Chinese, French. He has lived in Beijing for 13 years. His wife is from France. Writing of what he noticed during his holidays last summer, Brown observes: "Spending a week in the Philippines, while living in China, then coming here to France for summer vacation has been an instructive experience. China is proudly communist. The Philippines are fully capitalist. France is sumptuously imperial. And the comparative results could not be more stark. Communism kicks the pants off of capitalism, hands down. The brainwashed French believe they are capitalists, but in reality are imperialists. There are very real historical reasons for this." https://soundcloud.com/44-days/communist-china-vs-capitalist-philippines-vs-imperial-france-china-rising-radio-sinoland-160716 Brown backpacked around China in 2013 and authored "44 Days Backpacking in China: The Middle Kingdom in the 21st Century, with the United States, Europe and the Fate of the World in Its Looking Glass". Brown asserts that the worse poverty he saw in the poorest parts of China was less than the average everyday poverty he saw in the Philippines last summer. If his assertion is true, that's a pretty bad indictment of Western capitalism's century long participation in the Filipino economy. https://soundcloud.com/44-days/communist-china-vs-capitalist-philippines-vs-imperial-france-china-rising-radio-sinoland-160716 The high standard's of Brown's insights are similar to those of Alexis de Toqeville. FOUR CHARACTERISTICS OF 21ST CENTURY WESTERN CAPITALISM: War, Narcotics, Usury, Atheism (My opinion): 1] WAR is used as an instrument of economic prosperity. (In contrast to Xi Jinping's New Silk Road policy, which seeks prosperity by building massive infrastructure in the poorest parts of Africa / Eurasia / South America). 2] NARCOTICS as an instrument of illicit corporate profits, political and social change. 3] USURY e.g. IMF loans which bankrupt vassal states so that big corporations can buy national assets e.g. Greece/Russia/Indonesia for 10c on the dollar. Read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins and "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klien. 4] ATHEISM and associated social degradations, such as homelessness, broken families, fatherless children, crime, sodomy, poverty, unemployment, drug addiction, jail, social alienation. .. On the topic of WAR as an instrument to drive economic prosperity, Russ and I agree with Peter Schiff's assertion that we need: >sector making things that don't explode. >To do this, we need less >government spending, not more. Yes, instead of using war, Jinping wants to bring global prosperity by constructing massive global infrastructure via Chinese government spending, of a scale that the US deployed in WW2 to manufacture arms: Could this work? Well, we already know that massive arms manufacture puts everybody back to work, but at the cost of tens or hundreds of millions of dead civilians. So why don't we give China a chance to help the world's poor people gain access to the stuff that the rest of us enjoy? Just maybe China can put everyone back to work without the cost of hundred million dead people? After all, China's and India's methods are already helping them achieve full domestic employment, without our help. As an antidote to the Western social model, Vladimir Putin recommends to his senior political influencers to read the ideas of Ivan Ilyin (especially Ilyin's powerful concept of "conscience of law".) Once you understand what conscience of law means, it then becomes easier to understand Xi Jingping's ideas on the Governance of China (an instructive book, by the way.). Because war is such a effective engine of Western economic prosperity, Putin and Jinping have to be careful to NOT get trapped into another useless western banker's war, the way that Hitler got trapped in 1939 and Saddam got suckered in 1991. For as long as those fat obnoxious Neocon families have firm control of Washington's post 9/11 war policies, let us stay optimistic that Russia and China are sufficiently clever chess players to stay one step ahead of the machinations of our war-promoting Anglo-Zionist puppet-masters. Have I missed anything? best regards Evan PS If you want to a copy of Xi Jingping's book the The Governance of China, email me privately. File size is 8mb. Jingping has condensed five thousand years of Chinese social wisdom into a single book. It is not an easy read. Most of us mere mental mortals will have to slowly dip into individual subjects, though the topics are well organized. CONSCIENCE OF LAW A hint at what Ivan Ilyin, Putin and Xi Jinping mean by Conscience of Law can be found in this 1952 speech by President Eisenhower, who put it this way, in quoting a social observer from the 19th century: "In the end, the state of the Union comes down to the character of the people. I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers, and it was not there. In the fertile fields and boundless prairies, and it was not there. In her rich mines and her vast world commerce, and it was not there. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits, aflame with righteousness, did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." On 10/15/16, Wei Ling Chua <wchu...@gmail.com> wrote: > No offend. Without prejudice, I think Evan is one of the most objective > person in this group discussion. Below are some links for your leisure > reading: Russ wrote: >Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:57 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Russell Farris" tryggvicaid >Hi Wei Ling, >No offense taken. I hope that I never get to the point where I am offended by people who take Evan's political views seriously. It's not surprising that you would stand up for Evan; you are just as careless with facts as he is. The first example of U.S. warmongering that you give is a six-year old article by Peter Schiff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schiff). Schiff is a well-known advocate of the Austrian School of economics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_School). The title purports to recommend having another WWII. However, the title was just a literary device to grab attention--the actual article argues against such silliness. It ends with the following two paragraphs: >>need Rosie the Riveter - but this time she has to work in the private >>sector making things that don't explode. To do this, we need less >>government spending, not more. Your other arguments may be better, but I don't have time to respond fully to Evan's U.S. hating, dictator-loving rants, much less responding to the rants of his friends. Russ ---------------------------------------------------------- Politicaltalk (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/politicaltalk/) welcomes new members. ---------------------------------------------------------- Wei Ling wrote: -- -- Currently in Batam Indonesian Mobile: +62 811 777 994 Marine-Projects.net -- "A lie becomes the truth when: the media report it, the academics teach it, and the historians record it." Harland Wolf, Bangkok 2016. -- -- You received this digest because you're subscribed to updates for this group. 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