Bruce this was excellent information, thank you!
Panagiotis On 28 January 2018 at 08:53, Владимир Георгиев via Therion < [email protected]> wrote: > Bruce > > Very good test and illustrations. You are my Therion guru :) > Using both markings seems to be a good way to separate the "cave" (main > entrance marked on the survey command) from the secondary entrances > (marked with station commands), and to switch the secondary ones on/off > in the lists. > > Btw, if you use -surveys off it hides the entrances, but only if you > have defined a "cave main entrance" in the survey. If there is no main > entrance, it still shows all the secondary ones defined with station. > > Would you have the time to put your description and screenshots in the > wiki? This is good information have. > > Vlad > > > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 4:45 AM, Bruce Mutton via Therion < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Sorry С уважением, I may have taken over your post! >> >> >> >> > I suspect the kml exports are not reporting the hierarchy however. >> >> I was wrong, export cave-list -fmt kml does report the full hierarchy, >> and may even behave better than the html output. >> >> But it is a bit complicated – I did some testing… >> >> >> >> Using this general form of survey definition… >> >> survey 01 -title “Some Cave name” -entrance 1 >> >> #defining the entrance here as part of survey definition tells Therion >> ‘it is a cave’ >> >> centerline >> cs lat-long >> fix 0 11:22:33.4 22:33:44.5 1234 # set the GPS coordinates and >> elevation of station 0 >> station 3 "Some other entrance name" entrance >> >> # Mark station 3 as another entrance of ‘Some Cave name’ cave, and >> display it’s name also >> >> … >> >> endcenterline >> >> endsurvey >> >> >> >> And using these exports…. >> >> >> >> *#**html* >> >> export cave-list \ >> >> -surveys on \ # on = show survey, cave hierarchy, & entrances so long >> as location is on, >> >> # off = show caves only, not entrances, no hierarchy >> >> -location on \ # on = show cave coords, and entrance coordinates only >> if surveys are on >> >> # off = no coordinates >> >> -output ./Output/RiwakaSystemCaves.*html* >> >> >> >> *#**kml* >> >> export cave-list \ >> >> -surveys on \ # on = show survey, cave & entrances hierarchy >> >> # off = show caves only, not entrances, no hierarchy >> >> -location on \ # on|off = no difference >> >> -output ./Output/RiwakaSystemCaves.*kml* >> >> >> >> Some examples using variations of the above. In outputs below there are >> four caves explicitly defined; H-Hawkes Cave, Hawkes Kairuru Middle Cave, >> Kairuru Cave, Kairuru 3030. And one cave that Therion has deduced as it is >> implied by the survey structure; Ngarua cave, Takaka Hill. (Unfortunately >> I have not been disciplined with naming, so apologies that it is >> confusing). >> >> >> >> “Kairuru 3030” is defined as a cave, and it has two entrances defined in >> the centrelines (that are therefore part of Kairuru 3030 Cave, which has >> three entrances in total). >> >> It is one of many caves in a Therion project that the outputs below are >> taken from. >> >> Here the word ‘cave’ is used to mean the main entrance (ie ‘cave’ is an >> entrance and a cave, whereas ‘entrance’ is just an entrance that is usually >> a part of an already defined cave). >> >> >> >> *HTML Outputs* >> >> >> >> *Html surveys on location on* (the survey, cave and entrance hierarchy >> is shown. Caves have a length reported, entrances do not) >> >> >> >> *Html surveys on location off* (the survey and cave hierarchy is shown, >> but *not entrances**. Caves have a length reported, entrances do not) >> >> * Could this be a bug? Maybe, maybe not. >> >> The last two records ARE entrances, but they have no survey legs >> associated, they are gps fixes only. Maybe that is why Therion treats them >> differently and displays these but not others. >> >> Therion has used the survey hierarchy to infer it is a cave called >> “Ngarua Cave, Takaka Hill” even though there is no cave entrance defined in >> the survey definition. >> >> >> >> *Html surveys off location on *(No hierarchy, caves only, no entrances – >> except fixed entrances, has coordinates columns) >> >> *Html surveys off location off *(No hierarchy, caves only, no entrances >> – except fixed entrances, no coordinates) >> >> >> >> *KML Outputs* >> >> >> >> *Kml surveys on location on *(the survey, cave and entrance hierarchy is >> shown. Does not distinguish bottom level records as either cave or >> entrance, could be either) >> >> *Kml surveys on location off* (same) >> >> >> >> *Kml surveys off location on, * >> >> *Kml surveys off location off* (both look the same, both contain >> coordinates - kml would be boring without locations!) >> >> >> >> Hope that helps :) >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> *From:* Bruce Mutton [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Sunday, 28 January 2018 11:58 AM >> *To:* List for Therion users <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Экспорт в KML >> >> >> >> Yes it does make a difference. Define a cave with the survey definition. >> Define secondary entrances within centrelines. >> >> See the difference if you export caves to a html file. For best effect >> you can do this for a multi cave project where each cave has multiple >> entrances. I will post example outputs later. >> >> I suspect the kml exports are not reporting the hierachy however. >> >> >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> Sent from my Samsung device, hence the typo's >> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Владимир Георгиев via Therion <[email protected]> >> Date: 28/01/18 10:16 (GMT+12:00) >> To: List for Therion users <[email protected]> >> Cc: Владимир Георгиев <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Therion] Экспорт в KML >> >> Bruce >> >> Yes, that's right, you can define any number of entrances like this. >> Although I admit I haven't used the "survey 01 -title “Some Cave name” >> -entrance 1" syntax. So far I have always listed the entrances within >> the surveys with several "station XX "Some other entrance name" entrance" >> lines. >> >> >> Does it make a difference which syntax is used? >> >> Vlad >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 11:01 PM, Bruce Mutton via Therion < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> And I have no Russian, but making assumptions based on Vladimir’s >> response… >> >> (and apologising for using English) >> >> >> >> There are more subtle nuances that can be conveyed. >> >> Have a look at https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki >> /drawingchecklist?s[]=entrance#points and scroll down to ‘Passage Ends’ >> point entrance. >> >> You can tell Therion to define a cave, and further, specifically define >> all the entrances that the ‘cave’ has. >> >> >> >> To expand on and change Vladimir’s example >> >> >> >> survey 01 -title “Some Cave name” -entrance 1 >> >> #defining the entrance here as part of survey definition tells Therion >> ‘it is a cave’ >> >> centerline >> cs lat-long >> fix 0 11:22:33.4 22:33:44.5 1234 # set the GPS coordinates and >> elevation of station 0 >> station 3 "Some other entrance name" entrance >> >> # Mark station 3 as another entrance of ‘Some Cave name’ cave, and >> display it’s name also >> >> … >> >> endcenterline >> >> endsurvey >> >> Have I got that right Vlad? >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Therion [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *???????? >> ???????? via Therion >> *Sent:* Sunday, 28 January 2018 7:18 AM >> *To:* List for Therion users <[email protected]> >> *Cc:* Владимир Георгиев <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [Therion] Экспорт в KML >> >> >> >> Hi >> >> My Russian is not that good, so I will reply in English. >> >> The kml model can export the entrances, if that is what you mean by >> "объектов". To get the name of the cave to display, you have to mark one or >> more stations as entrances. Something like this: >> >> centerline >> cs lat-long >> fix 0 11:22:33.4 22:33:44.5 1234 # set the GPS coordinates and >> elevation of station 0 >> station 0 "Some cave name" entrance # Mark station 0 as an entrance >> and set the name to be displayed. Not necessarily the same station as the >> one with the coords. >> ... >> >> Vladimir >> >> >> >> >> >> 2018-01-26 11:08 GMT+02:00 Кунгурская лаборатория-стационар via Therion < >> [email protected]>: >> >> Здравствуйте. Подскажите, пожалуйста. Я пытаюсь экспортировать данные >> в KML-файл. Вот строка >> >> export model -fmt kml -output Kungur_Z.kml >> >> При просмотре kml-файла он не отображает названия объектов, а >> отображаются только линии. >> >> Подскажите, пожалуйста, как сделать так, чтобы названия объектов тоже >> отображались? >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Therion mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Therion mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Therion mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion > >
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