Thanks for the insights Pavel.
I can see those side buttons are in exactly the wrong place.
I too would be after the Windows version, I understand the Windows ones can run 
Android, but not vice versa.
So before proceeding I will check PocketTopo speed, stylus and water response.  
All our caves are such that devices are constantly wet and muddy while 
surveying. That the Nautiz display responds badly to water surprizes me, as our 
Trimble Recons have never responded to water (except once when swimming), and 
that assumption is the reason I am looking at them.
Regards
Bruce

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From: Therion <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Pavel Herich via Therion
Sent: Saturday, 3 November 2018 03:18
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Subject: Re: [Therion] Nautiz X8

Hello,
i´m using it for more than two years now, 3 to 15 times per month. My device is 
built on windows, so there is PocketTopo installed. For me it works great, 
strong battery, quite big screen, I use to clean it just directly under the 
flowing water. But on the other hand, surprisingly PocketTopo turned out to run 
significantly slower than on the previous, old and cheap PDA (means menu 
reactions, context menu calling and so; it doesn´t affect bleutooth connection 
or any other core functionalities - anyway it could be just some settings 
error). Then, I had to replace stylus, which was very wide and not draw 
friendly, instead I use thin stylus from old PDA (metal core), which doesn´t 
works perfectly, but it´s much better to work with. As well, the screen is not 
so precise for drawing than on my old PDA, partly perhaps because of bigger 
screen, but I think the technology has been changed (you can use only plastic, 
thin protection of the screen to be able to use old and precise stylus). 
Also, the two buttons (arrows) on the left side of the device I found very 
annoying - there are right there, where one would hold the device, they manage 
volume, which is very necessary to work with inside the cave...; I will try to 
seal them once. And last thing, it´s necessary to protect screen from drops of 
water, even small ones are registered and making some effect on screen.
So that´s all troubles I noticed, otherwise you can count with this device 
anywhere.
But to use it just to draw a raw sketch in PocketTopo or Topodroid, it´s bit 
expensive (f.e. DigiTerra explorer - basic GIS software can be instaled).
Pavel




Dňa 2018-10-31 19:06 Bruce Mutton via Therion napísal(a):
> Good Morning.
> 
> Does anyone have experience with these?
> 
> Nautiz X8
> 
> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-computer/handheld-pda/nautiz-x8/#
> tab=tecspec
> [1]
> 
> http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_handhelds_handheldus_nautiz_x8.html [2]
> 
> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-solutions/Customer-Solutions/naut
> iz-x8-extreme-environment-surveying-with-rugged-handhelds/
> [3]
> 
> Bruce
> 
> Links:
> ------
> [1]
> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-computer/handheld-pda/nautiz-x8/#
> tab=tecspec [2] 
> http://ruggedpcreview.com/3_handhelds_handheldus_nautiz_x8.html
> [3]
> https://www.handheldgroup.com/rugged-solutions/Customer-Solutions/naut
> iz-x8-extreme-environment-surveying-with-rugged-handhelds/
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