hi pat,
thanks you for reply.
i trust that the daemon is very stable, but as far as i understood it,
whenever i change the define_index'es i have to stop, reconfigure,
reindex and restart sphinx?




On Oct 16, 6:13 am, Pat Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> HiEmil
>
> Thinking Sphinx doesn't just talk to Sphinx to get deltas indexed. For  
> example, when a model instance is destroyed, the following things  
> happen:
>
> - Check if the instance exists in the core index
> - Flags it as deleted in the core index if it does
> - If deltas are enabled and the instance had delta set to true, flag  
> it as deleted in the delta index
>
> The first two steps happen every time, whether you're using delta  
> indexes or not. This is to make sure those deleted records don't get  
> returned in search queries.
>
> And ideally, the Sphinx daemon should be running constantly. From what  
> I've found (and heard from others), the daemon is very stable, and  
> rarely crashes. And when it does, that's where process tracking tools  
> like God and Monit can be useful.
>
> Hope this clears things up a bit.
>
> --
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> On 15/10/2008, at 11:27 PM,EmilTin wrote:
>
>
>
> > thanks for you reply.
>
> > i now have sphinx running on a separate ec2 instance, and rails
> > accessing it. the key was to edit the production.config.sphinx file in
> > the rails config folder on the sphinx server (i deploy the rail app
> > folder, but don't run the app) to 0.0.0.0 isntead of the default
> > 127.0.0.0, to make sure it listens to all interfaces, not just the
> > local one.
>
> > destroy an indexed model will still causes an exception if the sphinx
> > server can't be reached. that's really bad, since it could mean
> > otherwise perfect cod breaks down in case th sphinx server is down.
> > it's suddently making my rails app very fragile. and there's no need
> > to! delta indexing is off! in any case it would be better to just
> > silently ignore the error, so problems are not multiplied. it's much
> > worse to have a destroy() call fail than failing to update a non-
> > existing delta search index.
>
> > On Oct 15, 10:06 am, Pat Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> HiEmil
>
> >> Sorry there's not been a reply to this, but I think the short answer
> >> is: no, there's no easy way to do this. You could overwrite some
> >> methods or something like that, but it's definitely a hackish
> >> solution, and would be best just to focus on getting the environment
> >> working correctly so this is no longer an issue.
>
> >> Sorry, I realise that's not really all that helpful. And I've never
> >> tried EC2, let alone getting Sphinx running on it.
>
> >> --
> >> Pat
>
> >> On 08/10/2008, at 4:59 PM,EmilTin wrote:
>
> >>> The problem is this: whenever the sphinx server is down, not only  
> >>> the
> >>> search page stops working. Every page that tries to delete a model
> >>> will fail. This is a problem while I'm trying to get the sphinx  
> >>> server
> >>> up running. I still haven't managed to make TS contact the sphinx
> >>> server running on a separate EC2 instance.
>
> >>> Is there anyway to stop TS from trying to change the sphinx_deleted
> >>> attribute? (Even just temporarily?)
>
> >>> On Oct 7, 10:18 am, Pat Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>> HiEmil
>
> >>>> Sphinx can update _attributes_ in indexes (but not fields - hence  
> >>>> why
> >>>> some people use delta indexes) - and there's an attribute,  
> >>>> created by
> >>>> Thinking Sphinx, called sphinx_deleted. This gets set to true  
> >>>> when a
> >>>> model is deleted, so it won't get returned in future results
> >>>> (otherwise pagination counts are inaccurate).
>
> >>>> Cheers
>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Pat
>
> >>>> On 06/10/2008, at 9:12 PM,EmilTin wrote:
>
> >>>>> Hi!
>
> >>>>> I'm gettting the error 'Connection to Sphinx Daemon (searchd)
> >>>>> failed'
> >>>>> whenever I try to delete any of my indexed models.
>
> >>>>> It's true that the sphinx server is not running. But delta
> >>>>> indexing is
> >>>>> not turned on, so why would TS try to connect to the sphinx server
> >>>>> when destroying a model?
>
> >>>>> none of my models include :delta => true. They only contain  
> >>>>> trivial
> >>>>> things like:
>
> >>>>> define_index do
> >>>>>   indexes :name
> >>>>>   indexes :description
> >>>>> end
>
> >>>>> trace:
> >>>>> vendor/plugins/thinking-sphinx/lib/thinking_sphinx/search.rb:
> >>>>> 231:in
> >>>>> `search_for_id'
> >>>>> vendor/plugins/thinking-sphinx/lib/thinking_sphinx/active_record/
> >>>>> search.rb:43:in `search_for_id'
> >>>>> vendor/plugins/thinking-sphinx/lib/thinking_sphinx/
> >>>>> active_record.rb:
> >>>>> 121:in `in_core_index?'
> >>>>> vendor/plugins/thinking-sphinx/lib/thinking_sphinx/
> >>>>> active_record.rb:
> >>>>> 137:in `toggle_deleted'
> >>>>> vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:173:in
> >>>>> `send'
> >>>>> vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:173:in
> >>>>> `evaluate_method'
> >>>>> vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:161:in
> >>>>> `call'
> >>>>> vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:93:in
> >>>>> `run'
> >>>>> vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:92:in
> >>>>> `each'
> >>>>> vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:92:in
> >>>>> `send'
> >>>>> vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:92:in
> >>>>> `run'
> >>>>> vendor/rails/activesupport/lib/active_support/callbacks.rb:272:in
> >>>>> `run_callbacks'
> >>>>> vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/callbacks.rb:298:in
> >>>>> `callback'
> >>>>> vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/callbacks.rb:290:in
> >>>>> `destroy_without_transactions'
> >>>>> vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/transactions.rb:102:in
> >>>>> `destroy_without_after_commit_callback'
> >>>>> vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/connection_adapters/
> >>>>> abstract/database_statements.rb:66:in `transaction'
> >>>>> vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/transactions.rb:79:in
> >>>>> `transaction'
> >>>>> vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/transactions.rb:98:in
> >>>>> `transaction'
> >>>>> vendor/rails/activerecord/lib/active_record/transactions.rb:102:in
> >>>>> `destroy_without_after_commit_callback'
> >>>>> vendor/plugins/thinking-sphinx/lib/thinking_sphinx/active_record/
> >>>>> delta.rb:58:in `destroy'
> >>>>> app/controllers/bands_controller.rb:236:in `destroy'
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