I certainly don't think that Thrift should leave Apache, but I don't
think that it's reasonable lack of motivation on the part of the
active developers that is keeping Thrift in the incubator. We have
tried several times to get all the licensing stuff in order, and it's
just never managed to come together. Partially it seems to be that
some of the contributors haven't supplied the appropriate
documentation, and partially it seems to be that when they have,
those documents have gone missing on receipt. Perhaps because of the
extremely large number of contributors to Thrift this is more of an
issue than for other incubating projects.
We really need a champion at Apache who knows their way around the
process and has the ear of legal (or whoever it is that is supposed
to have our documents) who can assist a point Thrifter in getting
this stuff all squared away. Personally, while I read the threads
about the release process, I feel pretty powerless to participate.
-Bryan
On Nov 20, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Kevin Clark wrote:
I hadn't realized we were playing baseball.
Please. Please please please kick Thrift out of Apache incubation
status*. I can't see the light of a release without that. You're
right. People aren't moving anymore. This is because we've tried this
before:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
msg05022.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
msg04584.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
msg04449.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
msg04361.html
Jake even proposes we're good to go:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
msg05351.html
Somewhere in the middle there our mentors ignored us for a while.
And here's where you (you, Joe) mention that you've (you the ASF (as
you're paid to enforce their policy, apparently)) lost another round
of documents and we've got to start the licensing audit over again:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
msg05392.html
It's great that Todd still has the motivation and stamina to jump
through the ASF hoops. I certainly don't, though I'm happy to support
him. I'd certainly +1 if someone wanted to put up a vote for committer
if that will help him get done what he needs. And you're right, it
seems I haven't replied to 622 again (sorry Todd). I'll fix that
momentarily (though the thread seems unresolved to me, despite my
personal failure to follow up).
On the matter of svn vs distribution: in light of the lack of support
to create a release from the codebase we keep at Apache I, personally,
will continue to use versions I've cut for myself out of svn. The code
has been useful and something I think many have considered stable for
a rather long time. I'm removing myself as a member of the foundation
so I'm happy to advocate this pragmatic (though sadly flawed)
technique that has been forced on the community by an organization
fascinated by red tape.
* I'm speaking only for myself here.
--
Kevin Clark
http://glu.ttono.us
