Len, don't blame Thunderbird.
It's only an E-mail client like Outlook Express, and I might add a
very good one.
Don't confuse the mail program with a third party extension.

For me the jury's still out on the Webmail extension, but I'm leaning
your way on it.
You shouldn't have to be jumping through hoops to install it and get
it to work.
A disclaimer would have been nice before spending the time on trying
to get it to work.
Something along the line of "This may not work until I get around to
updating it, but it will be great when I do (until the next time)".

A lot of the problem is Yahoo and Hotmail. What they are doing is
forcing you to pay for the convenience of POPing your mail to your
computer.
The idea of the Webmail extension is to obtain for free what you would
normally have to pay for.
Yahoo and Hotmail continually change things to prevent this. No big
surprise as Hotmail is MSN, read Micro$oft, and Yahoo just today
signed a nice deal with Micro$oft, so don't look for them to be
getting user friendly any time soon. It's all about the money.

G-mail works fine with E-mail clients because they allow POP without
charging you. No extensions, no hassles, and good service.


On Jul 29, 9:59 pm, Len <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Eugene,
>
> With the risk of sounding like this rushing, frustrated type of guy I
> would like to tell you what I expect. Afterwards I'll let you be the
> judge if I'm in a major rush and if I'm being unrealistic in my
> expectations...
>
> When I download the latest versions off the official website (TB
> 2.0.0.22, Webmail 1.3.2, Yahoo 1.4.4 and Hotmail 1.2.22) I expect them
> to be the latest, working versions. Instead I get some half tested
> product that does not install in the most normal intuitive way, like
> running them off the website that offers them and provide u with a
> clickable icon.... If you do that it will will NOT install but it will
> say "incompatible with firefox 3.5". Don't you think that's a tiny bit
> annoying ergo leading to frustration?  Wouldn't you think "what moron
> put this there ad didn't test it properly???"
> Now you have to go find to some forum and be lucky enough to get an
> answer froma whizkid and if he takes the time he'll tell you to drag
> and drop these extensions in the add on manager. Who in his right mind
> thinks of that without help from the outside world?
> I would be fired on the spot if I delivered my work like that...
>
> Then you get the "Domain undefined" message. So you need another nerd
> in a forum to tell you that where TB asks you for an account name, you
> actually shouldn't fill in your account name. Noooo, you have to fill
> in your email address..... Sweet Jezus, why doesn't TB ask me for my
> Email-address if it wants me to put my email address there?
>
> And then when you think you finally have taken the last hurdle (after
> 10 days of asking questions in fora and waiting for answers) then you
> get the "negative vibes" message. What kind of message is that
> anyway... Negative vibes..., I'm not a 6 year old...
>
> Well Eugene, I can only take so much and I will go on using poppeeper.
> It doesn't allow me to keep my emails offline like I'd like to but it
> does something that TB doesn't. IT DOES WHAT IT SAYS ON THE TIN. And I
> installed it without a glich. It worked after 5 minutes. So, It's
> possible. It just needs to be developed by people who know what they
> are doing and take the time to test their product before they offer it
> to the public.
>
> And thank you for calling me unpatient. I needed that. And sorry, but
> I am not willing to spend hours searching in some knowledge base to do
> what somebody else should have done. I think it's unprofessional /
> amateuristic to abuse the end-user as the final tester to get the bugs
> out. Ok, the program is free. I acknowledge that. But if you offer a
> program in the boastful way this is being presented, do it good or
> just don't.
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