TidBITS#729/10-May-04
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  After spending nine days in Hawaii with his PowerBook, cell phone,
  digital camera, and iPod, Adam muses on how taking a vacation is
  affected by technology and how well today's technology meets the
  needs of vacationers. Celebrating the release of his latest book,
  Jeff Carlson offers some tips and techniques for iMovie 4. In the
  news, if you're a Now Up-to-Date & Contact user (or want to be),
  you can save big through the end of this month.

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    MailBITS/10-May-04
    iMovie 4 in the Viewfinder
    Technology on Vacation
    Hot Topics in TidBITS Talk/10-May-04

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MailBITS/10-May-04
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**Now Software Deal Eases Data Sharing** -- Although Apple offers
  integrated contact management and calendar features with Mac OS X
  in the form of Address Book and iCal, Tonya and I have stuck with
  Now Up-to-Date & Contact from Now Software because those programs
  are ideal for sharing contacts and events among multiple Macs (and
  with Windows-based PCs as well). But you do need separate copies
  of the program for each Mac, and that can add up. Through the end
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<http://www.nowsoftware.com/may/>


iMovie 4 in the Viewfinder
--------------------------
  by Jeff Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  When I wrote about iMovie 3 last year, I was less than enamored of
  Apple's digital video editor (see "iMovie 3 Tips and Gotchas" in
  TidBITS-697_). It was slow, buggy, and frustrating. Apple released
  iMovie 4 shortly after this year's Macworld Expo in San Francisco,
  and I'm happy to report that the new version is much improved -
  not to the extent that I'd prefer, but iMovie no longer feels like
  it was rushed out the door.

<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=07356>
<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=07500>

  Peachpit Press has just released the third edition of my book on
  iMovie, which not only includes almost 100 new pages of material
  (thanks in part to the addition of iDVD coverage) but also has the
  longest title of anything I've published: iMovie 4 & iDVD 4 for
  Mac OS X: Visual QuickStart Guide (I get tired just typing it).
  In this short article, I want to share some worthwhile tips and
  iMovie improvements. I'll look at iDVD 4 in a future article.

<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0321246632/tidbitselectro00/ref=nosim>


**Direct Trimming** -- iMovie gains an important structural
  overhaul in version 4. Apple calls it Direct Trimming, but video
  editors know it better as non-destructive editing. In earlier
  versions of iMovie, you trimmed a video clip by lopping off
  portions that you didn't need - the last 10 seconds, for example.
  If you later realized you need to use that footage, the only ways
  to retrieve it were to use Undo (but only if the edit was made
  within the last 10 actions), or by restoring the entire clip to
  its original state.

  With Direct Trimming, that deleted footage is always available.
  If you decide you want your clip to be two seconds longer, you
  simply grab the right edge of the clip in the Timeline Viewer and
  drag it to the right to expose the footage you want. When trimming
  clips down, just drag the right edge of the clip and move it to
  the left, hiding the frames you wish to remove from view.

  The only exception to the advantages of Direct Trimming is if you
  empty iMovie's trash: iMovie rewrites the media files stored on
  disk to match the edits you've applied, deleting the footage
  you've hidden. (I recommend not emptying iMovie's trash at any
  point while editing; if you need more disk space, you're better
  off buying an inexpensive external FireWire hard disk and moving
  your project there.)


**Keystrokes Make Editing Easier** -- Using keystroke shortcuts
  doesn't sound like a sexy new feature, but I rely on them to speed
  up my work and reduce the amount of mousing I do. iMovie 4 added
  a few keystroke shortcuts that I use constantly.

* Press Command-E to switch between the Clip Viewer and the
  Timeline Viewer (the two timeline views that occupy the same
  space at the bottom of iMovie's screen).

* In the Timeline Viewer, press Command-Option-P to scroll to
  where the playhead is located, or if a clip is selected but
  currently off-screen, press Command-Option-S to jump to that
  clip.

* Also in the Timeline Viewer, press Command-Option-Z with a clip
  selected to zoom in on just that clip so that it takes up most of
  the timeline. For a quick way to zoom out to see your entire movie
  without leaving the keyboard, press Command-A to select all clips
  in the timeline, then Command-Option-Z to zoom to the selection.

* Press Command-B to create a bookmark, a marker used only
  for your own navigational use. Press Command-[ or Command-]
  (the bracket keys) to jump to the previous or next bookmark.

* iMovie 4 features timeline snapping: as you drag the playhead
  through the movie, it snaps to the nearest edit point (helpful
  when matching audio and video clips). You can turn this option
  on or off in iMovie's preferences, but there's a better way: keep
  it turned off in the preferences, and hold down Shift as you drag
  the playhead to temporarily enable snapping.


**Catch a Wave(form)** -- iMovie 4 finally adds visible waveforms
  to audio clips, so you can see the peaks and valleys in the sound.
  Waveforms are especially helpful when you're trying to line up a
  song or sound clip to match action in the video. To turn on
  waveforms, go to iMovie's preferences and enable the Show Audio
  Track Waveforms checkbox. It helps to zoom in on a clip to see
  more waveform detail. You can also press the up and down arrow
  keys in a selected audio clip to raise or lower waveforms
  temporarily to see them better (this changes only the waveform
  display, not the audio levels themselves).

  Unfortunately, you can only view waveforms on audio clips, not
  video clips, even though in iMovie the video clips also include
  an audio track. To view the waveforms for a video clip, you must
  extract the audio (press Command-J with a clip selected, or choose
  Extract Audio from the Advanced menu).

  iMovie 4 also added the capability to scrub audio, which plays
  audio as you drag the playhead, not just when you play back the
  movie in real time. Hold down Option, then drag the playhead to
  scrub. However, this feature is such a performance drain that
  I find it unusable: the playhead lags behind where I've dragged.


**Sharing Is Caring** -- One last nifty feature before I roll
  credits is the capability to export selected clips from your
  movie, rather than the entire movie itself. In earlier versions,
  if I wanted to export a specific scene to a QuickTime movie, for
  example, I needed to move all the other clips off the timeline
  before exporting, a real hassle. In iMovie 4, simply select the
  clips you want to export, choose Share from the File menu (or
  press Command-Shift-E), and click the checkbox labeled Share
  Selected Clips Only.


**A Word about Performance** -- I mentioned earlier that iMovie 4
  is improved, but not as much as I'd like. One thing about iMovie
  (and, it seems, all of the iLife applications except iTunes) is
  that they greatly benefit from faster hardware, but even then
  performance can vary between similar Macs. Some people export
  movies with no problems, while others tear their hair out
  due to audio problems or stuttery playback. In my experience,
  iMovie 4 has been quite stable on my 1.25 GHz PowerBook G4,
  though it's a dog when running on my older 400 MHz PowerBook
  G4 Titanium.

  I can't offer a sure-fire solution, but I can point you to a
  great resource: Dan Slagel's "Unofficial" iMovie FAQ. For other
  information, I also maintain a companion Web site to my book,
  where you'll find iMovie-related news, tips, and links to other
  resources. And lastly, you might want to check out a recent
  TidBITS Talk thread, which was spurred by the latest iMovie
  4.0.1 update.

<http://danslagle.dvmix.com/mac/iMovie/>
<http://www.necoffee.com/imovievqs/>
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<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=07653>


Technology on Vacation
----------------------
  by Adam C. Engst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  We're finally caught up from our vacation on Kauai, Hawaii, and
  as much as I wish I could say that it was a truly relaxing and
  wonderful time, in reality I was utterly sick for all but the last
  few days, which put a major crimp in affairs. Nonetheless, if you
  have to sit around doing nothing, Kauai is as nice a place as you
  could imagine for that, and I'd recovered enough by the end to
  enjoy a few days in the sun, sand, and surf.

  But that's not what I'm here to tell you about today. For many of
  us, vacations are no longer technology-free zones. I travel with
  quite a lot of technology these days, and I found the ways in
  which I used the various devices quite interesting. I'm not sure
  there are any big conclusions here, but perhaps you can draw a
  few lessons from my experiences.


**Westernmost Wi-Fi** -- We stayed at the Waimea Plantation
  Cottages, a resort built from the simple cottages of sugar
  plantation workers, and although the cottages themselves were
  rustic, the resort's courtly main building offered free wireless
  Internet access. Since neither Tonya nor I was comfortable being
  entirely away from email for nine days, we were happy to toddle
  over to the main building's common area, settle down in a
  comfortable chair in a shady breezeway, and take advantage of
  a high-speed Internet connection. Given that Waimea is on the
  western coast of Kauai near the end of the road that snakes around
  Kauai, and Kauai is the westernmost of the Hawaiian islands (other
  than the "Forbidden Island" of Niihau, which is privately owned),
  this may be the westernmost public hot spot in the United States.

<http://waimea-plantation.com/>
<http://www.hawaiian.net/~niihauisland/island.htm>

  We preferred not having the Wi-Fi access in our cottage, since
  that ensured that our Internet use was extremely discreet. It
  also meant that one of us had to stay with our son Tristan at all
  times, so we couldn't both be off working for any amount of time.


**Yet Another Spam Problem** -- The high-speed Internet access
  turned out to be essential for getting anything done, for the
  simple reason that the amount of spam I receive has grown to the
  point where a modem connection simply wouldn't be sufficient.
  I'm averaging over 700 spam messages per day now, and although
  SpamSieve continues to do an excellent job of keeping more than
  99.7 percent them out of my In box, it's still a ton of data to
  transfer. I was checking mail about once per day, and Eudora never
  downloaded fewer than 1,000 messages in a mail check.

<http://www.c-command.com/spamsieve/>

  It's clear that as much as SpamSieve is a great tool, I have
  to start working on server-side solutions that work with our
  Web Crossing mail server to manage the ever rising flood of
  spam. Confusing the issue are all the worm messages sent to me
  by others, and the bounces from worm messages that forge my
  address.


**Digital Images** -- For the trip, we bought a Canon PowerShot
  S400 to supplement our aging PowerShot S100, and as much as
  I liked the PowerShot S100, I like the S400 even more. It
  improves on the S100 in a variety of ways, upping the pixel
  count to 4 megapixels and the optical zoom to 3X, and adding
  movie and panorama modes. It's faster to start up, faster between
  shots, and works better in macro mode, all of which were slight
  frustrations with the S100. In fact, the only thing I don't
  like as much about S400 is that the mode wheel often turns in
  my pocket, so I can never be sure exactly what mode I'm in
  when I pull it out. (Even the S400 has been supplanted by the
  5-megapixel PowerShot S500, but that camera wasn't worth the
  extra $150 when I was ready to buy).

<http://www.powershot.com/powershot2/s400/>
<http://www.powershot.com/powershot2/s500-410/>

  I've become inordinately fond of the tiny movies the S400 takes,
  which remind me of nothing so much as the old home movies of
  yesteryear. They're short and grainy, and I don't care one bit.
  There's something about being able to take a movie of Tristan
  rolling down a sand dune that just can't be captured by a still
  image. Although a digital camcorder would of course have done a
  better job, I don't believe any of the current models will fit in
  my pocket, nor will any take still photos as good as the S400.
  Plus, the limited space for movies on my S400's 256 MB Compact
  Flash card ensures I won't just spend the entire day behind the
  lens, looking for that perfect clip.

  I eagerly await the day when processing power and storage have
  become so commonplace that we'll be able to extract still images
  from video without a loss of quality. So many pictures are lost
  because the shutter snapped at just the wrong moment, but if every
  photo could actually be a few seconds of video, it would be much
  easier to avoid the closed eyes or the goofy expression.


**iPhoto Limitations** -- I hadn't quite internalized the level to
  which one of iPhoto's limitations can be annoying if you use your
  camera for movies as well as still images. iPhoto handles only
  still images, and if you make it your default hot plug application
  (the application that launches automatically when you plug in your
  camera), it's easy to forget that you have movies on the camera.
  That's especially problematic if you don't use iPhoto's "Erase
  Camera Contents After Transfer" option when importing photos.
  I've seen that setting cause problems in previous versions of
  iPhoto, so I always used to recommend erasing the card in the
  camera after you were sure that iPhoto had downloaded everything
  properly. Unfortunately, that technique, coupled with forgetting
  about movies, meant that I accidentally erased a really nice
  movie I took during my sister's wedding ceremony. iPhoto won't
  erase movies, so it's actually safer to let it erase photos if
  you trust it in general.

  Image Capture, Apple's other application for downloading photos,
  will properly download movies to your Movies folder (yet another
  way, along with selective import, that it beats iPhoto for
  importing), but it's annoying to have it be the hot plug
  application if you don't take movies all the time. [You can
  change the default hot plug application using Image Capture's
  preferences. -Geoff] A partial solution comes in the form of
  the free Camera Helper utility from the folks at Script Software;
  Camera Helper sets itself as the hot plug application and
  displays a dialog of applications to launch, so you can easily
  choose between iPhoto and Image Capture for any given import
  action. I'd like to see Camera Helper launch Image Capture and
  have it automatically download movies, then launch iPhoto and
  have it automatically download photos.

<http://www.scriptsoftware.com/camera_helper/>


**Photo Recovery** -- I was so annoyed at myself for erasing that
  movie accidentally that I spent some time trying to figure out if
  I could recover it. My efforts were in vain, since I'd taken quite
  a number of photos since erasing, but I tried the demos of a pair
  of applications that claimed to be able to recover deleted (though
  not overwritten) photos on memory cards.

  If you find yourself in this situation, give both PhotoRescue and
  Don't Panic a try. I preferred PhotoRescue, since its demo showed
  you what it could recover, and you could then buy the full $30
  program if it was going to help. Don't Panic was clumsier and
  cost more at $40, but it seemed that it would have worked as well,
  had I not already overwritten the movie I wanted to recover.

<http://www.photorescue.info/products/rescue/photorescue.htm>
<http://www.imagerecall.com/software.asp>


**Different Perspectives** -- Now that the S100 is no longer our
  only digital camera, we started letting Tristan use it. He's over
  five years old now, and with only a small amount of training, has
  proven capable of being sufficiently careful with the camera so
  we're not afraid of him destroying it. It's fascinating watching
  him take pictures and immediately look at them on the LCD; in
  another technological shift, people of his generation won't really
  understand what it was like to see photos only after developing
  the film days, weeks, or, for people like my parents, months
  later.

  His perspective is also completely different. His pictures of
  people often don't make it up to the face, perhaps because when
  you're 43 inches (1.1 meters) tall, you don't see faces nearly
  as much. He's also much more likely to take extreme close-ups of
  commonplace objects, and he has little concern for keeping the
  camera straight. And yet, his sense of composition is often quite
  good; I wonder if we'll see a shift in photographic approaches
  as young photographers who grew up with the freedom of the
  digital world start entering the field.


**Better Photo Sharing** -- iPhoto 4 added Rendezvous photo
  sharing, which is a step in the right direction, but doesn't
  quite meet a need I've run into on several occasions recently.
  Most of my relatives have digital cameras as well, so at any
  family gathering of any significance, it's likely that several
  people will bring their cameras and take photos that we'd all
  like to share. I always have a media card reader that accepts
  all the different media card formats, but it's sufficiently slow
  and involved to dump the photos into iPhoto (or any other program;
  both USB and the media cards are quite slow, though I'm not sure
  which is the bottleneck) that it seldom works out well to collect
  everyone's photos into a single place.

  I don't have any great solutions here, since trading photos around
  on the spot would often intrude upon the event, even if the speeds
  were faster and everyone had brought laptops. Perhaps an iPod with
  a Belkin Media Reader would work, since it could just download all
  the photos with a minimum of fuss. Or perhaps the trading should
  happen after everyone has gone home and winnowed out the mistakes;
  if iPhoto's photo sharing could operate over the Internet as well
  as a local network, at least those people with Macs and high-speed
  Internet connections could trade photos back and forth with ease.

<http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=158350>

  Of course, if I were to start storing photos on the iPod, then I'd
  really begin to long for an iPod with a color screen that could
  display those photos as well, perhaps even with a FireWire to RCA
  composite video for connecting them to television screens. Tonya's
  mother is organizing a reunion for her high school right now,
  and I can just imagine an iPod-based photo viewer being just
  the thing for a proud grandmother to show off photos of her kids
  and grandkids. But Apple has resisted such enhancements so far,
  merely making it possible for third parties to extend the iPod's
  capabilities for storing photos and recording sound.


**iPod Irritation** -- One of the reasons I was enthused about
  joining the ranks of iPod owners was that my old iBook's hard disk
  wasn't large enough to hold much music at all for listening to on
  planes or in hotel rooms. At the time, I addressed the problem by
  burning an MP3 CD of some of my favorite songs; it was more than
  enough for almost any trip. But even though I'm now using a 12"
  PowerBook with a much larger hard disk, I figured the iPod would
  let me bring my entire music collection without worrying about
  wasting disk space at all.

  However, there was a problem. I could listen to the iPod through
  its earbuds, which I hate because they hurt my ears, or through
  a pair of Koss headphones that are somewhat less uncomfortable
  (maybe I just have weird ears, but I've never found a pair of
  headphones comfortable), but I couldn't just play it through my
  PowerBook's speakers. And since my iPod normally connects to my
  Power Mac G4, it wouldn't even show up in iTunes on the PowerBook.

  I wasn't annoyed enough to trek over to the Wi-Fi connection to
  research solutions on the Internet, but when I came home, I found
  an answer in the fourth edition of Chris Breen's excellent book,
  Secrets of the iPod. An $8 utility called PodMaster 1000 from
  Flying Mouse Software lets you copy music from your iPod back
  to a Mac, and better yet, it lets you play songs from the iPod
  through the connected Mac's speakers.

<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0321245644/tidbitselectro00/ref=nosim>
<http://homepage.mac.com/podmaster/>


**Personal Communication** -- Cell phones don't work terribly well
  in many parts of Ithaca, so we use ours much less than we would
  otherwise. Nonetheless, Tonya and I still have our landline
  phone numbers forward to our cell phones on no answer or busy,
  ensuring that we always receive calls no matter where we are and
  eliminating the need to check multiple voicemail services. Our
  cell phones proved their worth on this trip in particular, though,
  since our first flight from Ithaca to Pittsburgh was delayed for
  90 minutes due to thunderstorms in Pittsburgh. Unfortunately,
  that 90 minute delay meant there was no way we could get to Kauai
  in one day, since we had missed the necessary connecting flights.
  Faced with the need to try again the next day, we decided it made
  more sense to start over from the west coast. The US Airways
  people in Ithaca were more than accommodating (it probably helped
  having a cute kid announcing to everyone in sight that he was
  going to his aunt's wedding to be the ring bearer) and so when
  we suggested that perhaps we could fly through Seattle, they made
  it happen even though it was more flights than were strictly
  necessary.

  But that meant an opportunity to arrange a dinner with old
  friends, some of whom we hadn't seen in years. I spent most of
  our layover time in Pittsburgh and Chicago on the cell phone,
  calling friends and having conversations along the lines of this.
  "Hi, this is Adam. Up for dinner tonight?" <Insert a brief pause
  to enjoy some incoherent stammering as the person on the other
  tried to overcome the geographical head rush.> "Where am I?
  Chicago at the moment, but we'll be in Seattle for dinner soon,
  so we hope you can meet us at the Red Robin by the University
  Bridge at 7 PM." It's fun to pretend to be in the jet set.

  Our friend Lauren picked us up at the airport, and we were
  overjoyed to eat and catch up with 12 other friends before heading
  home with Brady (our attorney in the spam lawsuit) and his wife
  Karen, who works at Apple and could take us to the airport the
  next morning since she was flying to Cupertino at the same time
  we were set to pick up our trek to Hawaii again. We've never had
  such a good time as a result of a delayed flight.

  Even after we landed in Kauai, the walkie-talkie nature of cell
  phones turned out to be incredibly useful, given the number of
  relatives present for the wedding and the need to coordinate
  activities and locations on a constant basis.


**The Mac Connection and the Blue Room** -- As our relatives
  dispersed after the wedding, we had two days to ourselves, so we
  spent one playing on the beach at Polihale at the end of the road
  on the west end of Kauai. It was the classic day at the beach,
  walking on the sand, playing in the waves, building sand castles,
  and burying Tonya to her neck (she loved the warm sand). The next
  day, however, we changed gears and drove up to the north end of
  the island to meet up with Julian Miller, who runs the Macintosh
  software publisher Script Software (which is how I learned about
  Camera Helper, mentioned above). I've known Julian slightly from
  Macworld Expos for years, but Tonya had never met him and it was
  pure happenstance that I learned that he lived on Kauai - when I
  was interviewing Bruce Horn several months ago, Bruce was actually
  on vacation on Kauai, visiting Julian as well.

<http://www.hawaiiweb.com/kauai/html/beaches/polihale_beach.html>
<http://www.scriptsoftware.com/>
<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=07516>

  In between the necessary geek talk (Kauai isn't a high-tech kind
  of place), Julian showed us the beach at Hanalei, and when it
  started to rain, convinced us that we really did want to drive the
  last 15 minutes to the end of the road on the north side. We ended
  up at that beach, which was a good beach, even a fine beach, but
  the brief stop on the way was what was etched in our memories.

  At some point on the road, Julian told me to park, and led the
  way up a steep and rocky path, then helped Tristan down into a
  huge cave entrance. At the bottom of the cave was a massive pool
  of fresh water, and if you braved the chilly temperature and swam
  out to the back of the cave, the light from outside filtered
  through the clear water, producing an astonishingly beautiful blue
  light. The Blue Room, as it's called, is reportedly the end of a
  two-mile long lava tube once explored by diving legend Jacques
  Cousteau, though I could find no confirmation of that on the Web.
  Nevertheless, it's wonderful, and if you ever find yourself on
  Kauai, don't miss it.

<http://www.bestplaceshawaii.com/tips/hidden_places/blue_room.html>

  Unfortunately, the Blue Room was so large that my S400's flash
  couldn't begin to light it, forcing me to hold the camera very
  still for a slow shot. And without the optional waterproof case
  (which a friend used recently on a snorkeling trip), I didn't
  even consider taking the camera to the back of the cave to see
  if I could capture the intense blue color filtering through the
  water. You can see my semi-successful attempts (Tonya wasn't
  about to stand still in that frigid water) and other pictures
  from those last two days, if you like, on .Mac. Beware that if
  too many people visit the page, it may be shut down temporarily
  for going over the bandwidth allocation - I figure that our
  vacation photos are of less general interest than some other
  pictures I've posted.

<http://homepage.mac.com/adamengst/PhotoAlbum29.html>

  Nonetheless, some things weren't meant to be recorded by
  technology, and we'll have to rely on our memories of the
  Blue Room and of a truly enjoyable day with Julian, proving
  once again how enjoyable Macintosh folks can be.


Hot Topics in TidBITS Talk/10-May-04
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**iTunes 4.5** -- More discussion of the latest version of iTunes,
  including frustration outside the United States and how music
  is being shared via Rendezvous. (17 messages)

<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tlkthrd=2225>
<http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/90>


**Liability** -- If you run an open wireless network and someone
  hijacks it to send spam or engage in otherwise illegal behavior,
  are you liable? (11 messages)

<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tlkthrd=2217>
<http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/79>


**iMovie 4.0.1 Improves Performance** -- The latest update
  to Apple's movie editing software is an improvement, but
  frustrations remain. (1 message)

<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tlkthrd=2227>
<http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/92>


**.Mac email problems** -- Some readers find that getting email
  via Apple's .Mac service is flaky, while others report no
  problems. (5 messages)

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<http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/93>



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