TidBITS#791/08-Aug-05
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  Just when you thought it would never happen, Apple quietly breaks
  with tradition and ships... the multi-button Mighty Mouse. Also in
  this issue, Adam shares his experience navigating Boston's streets
  with the Magellan RoadMate 700, a GPS device that got him there
  and back again with a few surprises. Jeff Carlson finds a great
  deal on a 20-inch LCD monitor not made by Apple, and finally hops
  on the multiple-monitor bandwagon. And the Japanese iTunes Music
  Store opens to a rush of business and expanded offerings.

Topics:
    MailBITS/08-Aug-05
    Apple Ships a Multi-Button Mouse
    Expanding the View with a Dell LCD Display
    On the Road with the Magellan RoadMate 700
    Hot Topics in TidBITS Talk/08-Aug-05

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MailBITS/08-Aug-05
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**iTMS Opens in Japan, Rolls Some Stones** -- Apple Computer got
  some satisfaction for its iTunes Music Store, announcing not only
  the debut of the Japanese version of iTMS but also the worldwide
  availability of early Abkco catalog recordings, which includes
  early rock 'n roll classics from The Animals, Sam Cooke, Herman's
  Hermits, Marianne Faithful, and the Rolling Stones. The iTunes
  Music Store is now the only online music service with the complete
  catalog of the Rolling Stones.

<http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/aug/04itms.html>
<http://www.abkco.com/>

  The Japanese version of the iTunes Music Store reportedly features
  more than 1 million tracks, including songs from popular Japanese
  acts such as Little Creatures, Chara, and Crazy Ken Band,
  alongside Japanese radio shows and podcasts. Over a dozen Japanese
  companies are providing music for the Japanese version of iTMS,
  along with international distributors, and Apple plans to offer
  more Japanese content in the months ahead. Songs on the Japanese
  version of iTMS sell for 150 or 200 yen (roughly US$1.35 / $1.80).
  Apple announced this week that the new store sold more than 1
  million songs in its first four days of operation. Apple hopes
  the introduction of the Japanese version of iTMS will spur sales
  of iPod music players, particularly the iPod shuffle. Unlike
  the rest of the world - where the iPod is the utterly dominant
  portable music player - it merely leads the pack in Japan,
  accounting for about 36 percent of the market while rival
  Sony has managed to secure about 27 percent of the market
  for flash-based music players. [GD]

<http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/aug/08itms.html>


Apple Ships a Multi-Button Mouse
--------------------------------
  by Mark H. Anbinder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  The conventional wisdom has been that Apple founder and CEO Steve
  Jobs would never allow the company to ship a multi-button mouse;
  such an animal would compromise the legendary simplicity and ease
  of use that were Apple's hallmarks. Power users griped and, tired
  of Control-clicking instead of right-clicking to bring up
  contextual menus, or, desperate for a scroll wheel, looked
  for third-party pointing devices.

  No more: last week Apple announced the immediate availability of
  the $50 Mighty Mouse, a programmable multi-function, multi-button
  mouse for Mac OS X, Windows 2000, or Windows XP. Mighty Mouse
  (yes, Apple was careful to license the name of the cartoon hero)
  is visually simple, a white corded mouse that looks just like the
  Apple Pro Mouse except for a tiny, spherical, scroll ball where
  the average mouse's scroll wheel might be.

<http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/>

  The scroll ball rotates in any direction, rather than just up and
  down, enabling free-form scrolling that Apple says better suits
  "applications from viewing Web pages and photographs, to video
  editing and music creation." This any-direction scrolling is
  similar to that capability of the new scrolling trackpads featured
  in recent PowerBook and iBook models. The scroll ball is also
  clickable, as are most scroll wheels.

  What keeps the Mighty Mouse's design pure and simple is the new
  touch-sensitive upper shell. Rather than separate hard-wired left
  and right buttons, the Mighty Mouse features a programmable touch
  area that can be one or two buttons - just one for purists who
  never need to right-click (and single-button mode is the default),
  or two for right-clickers or those who would like a right-click
  to perform some other action.

  Side buttons, positioned where users of the Apple Pro Mouse have
  gotten used to gripping in order to lift and reposition their
  mouse, can be programmed together or separately, either for clicks
  or, for example, to activate Expose or Dashboard.

  While Mighty Mouse is compatible with any version of Mac OS X,
  the company says Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger is required to customize the
  buttons for one-click access to Dashboard, Expose, and Spotlight,
  or to launch applications. The new mouse is available immediately
  at the online Apple Store as well as at Apple's retail stores and
  resellers.


Expanding the View with a Dell LCD Display
------------------------------------------
  by Jeff Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  Back when I took a more partisan approach to operating systems,
  I considered Dell the latest in the line of sworn enemies of
  Apple. Sure, Microsoft makes the dominant operating system,
  but vast numbers of Windows installations end up on Dell PCs.
  It didn't help that company founder Michael Dell and Steve Jobs
  have traded PR barbs for years, with Jobs likening Dell laptops
  to bland Ford Taurus automobiles and Dell commenting that his
  favorite Jobs creation was the movie Toy Story 2. (Interestingly,
  Michael Dell also commented recently that he's open to the idea
  of selling upcoming Intel-based PCs running Mac OS X.)

<http://www.dell.com/>
<http://www.fortune.com/fortune/fastforward/0,15704,1072719,00.html>

  Since I don't run a PC on a regular basis, I didn't expect that
  I'd be looking at the Dell logo on my desktop. But that's exactly
  what's happened - not a PC (though I did buy a refurbished laptop
  a couple of years ago for testing), but instead a beautiful 20-
  inch flat-panel widescreen display, the Dell UltraSharp 2005FPW.

<http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?
c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=320-4111&category_id=4009>


**Multiple Monitors, At Last** -- Adam has been a proponent
  of using multiple monitors for longer than I've known him
  (see "Double the Fun with Multiple Monitors" in TidBITS-421_).
  And although he and others have made a good case for more screen
  resolution over the years, I could never quite justify the cost.
  Plus, I've used PowerBooks as my main Mac for years; the previous
  desktop Mac I owned was a Power Macintosh 7500. For a short
  period I hooked my PowerBook 5300 up to a 17-inch CRT, but only
  to use the monitor as the main display, with the PowerBook's lid
  closed. When PowerBook displays started increasing in size, and
  the 17-inch CRT gave out, I saved my pennies and stuck with the
  laptop's LCD.

<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=04768>

  Then, a couple of months ago, I had an opportunity to
  experience multiple monitor nirvana: as part of a software
  review for Macworld, Apple went crazy and set me up with the
  best hardware it could offer to test with: a dual 2.7 GHz Power
  Mac G5 running _two_ 30-inch Apple Cinema Display monitors
  (that's more than 8 million pixels; you can see two photos
  at the URLs below). The hardware had to go back to Apple
  within a couple of weeks, but it finally convinced me to
  consider buying a secondary display.

<http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffcarlson/15194718/>
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffcarlson/13050332/>

  Unfortunately, I'm not keen on spending the $3,000 required for
  a 30-inch Cinema Display. LCD prices have been falling pretty
  steadily, though, so I checked Dealmac to see what special offers
  were available.

<http://www.dealmac.com/>

  Dell, being the giant of the industry, is able to command great
  prices on the parts it buys, which is one reason the company can
  offer complete computer systems for relatively little cost.
  Consequently, Dell frequently puts together deals to move its
  inventory. In this case, I found the 20.1-inch 2005FPW LCD for
  around $550. Considering that Apple's original 22-inch Cinema
  Display cost $4,000, and its current 20-inch model costs $800,
  the Dell display was a great deal.


**More than a Monitor** -- The 2005FPW has a 20.1-inch viewable
  screen size, supporting a maximum resolution of 1680 by
  1050 pixels (1,764,000 pixels). According to the technical
  specifications, it sports a contrast ratio of 600:1, an image
  brightness of 300 cd/m2 (candela per square meter, a measure
  of luminosity), and a viewing angle of approximately 88 degrees
  vertically and horizontally. In real-world terms, that means
  the screen is bright, beautiful, and sharp.

  That's not all, though. The 2005FPW includes four input types:
  VGA, DVI-D, S-video, and composite. At first I thought that was
  marketing jargon that indicated you could simply attach just about
  any device with included adapters, but no, the monitor includes
  four separate ports. That enables you to connect four devices and
  switch between them. My PowerBook G4 connects via the DVI-D port,
  and for fun I hooked up my old Dell laptop via VGA. A button on
  the front of the monitor's frame switches among the different
  inputs.

  What's more, you can also view two of the inputs in a picture-in-
  picture configuration or side by side, though this seems to apply
  only to VGA or DVI and one of the other inputs. I wasn't able to
  view both my Mac desktop and the Windows screen at once. I suppose
  I could hook up a DVD player to the S-video or composite ports and
  watch a movie in the corner of my screen, but I never tried it
  (I deal with enough distractions; a movie would completely wreck
  my productivity). Due to these input options, my TidBITS colleague
  Glenn Fleishman bought a 2005FPW to replace his aging television
  and turned it into a home entertainment system by hooking it up
  to his TiVo via S-video and to a Mac mini via DVI.

  The 2005FPW also includes four USB ports, so you can use it as a
  USB hub; an included cable connects to your Mac using a separate
  USB input, giving you the four open USB ports. Two are easily
  accessible on the right side of the frame, and the other two
  are tucked under the bottom with the other inputs, and are
  harder to reach.

  The height is adjustable from 15.3 inches (38.9 cm) to 22.4 inches
  (56.9 cm), and you can swivel the screen side to side and top
  to bottom in a fairly limited, but functional, range of motion.
  More impressive, however, is its capability to rotate: yep, just
  like the Radius screens of old, you can rotate the entire screen
  90 degrees for a portrait view instead of a landscape view.
  Since all of Dell's technical specifications are geared toward
  Windows PCs, it's unclear what video hardware is required to
  support the rotated display. On my PowerBook G4 running the
  latest version of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, a Rotate pop-up menu
  enables me to set the screen at a 90, 180, or 270 degree rotation.


**Never Going Back** -- I use the 2005FPW as my main monitor,
  with my PowerBook set up at the right side to extend my desktop.
  Even with the PowerBook's 15-inch widescreen display, my workspace
  felt cramped on its own. With the new setup, I keep my most-used
  programs on the larger Dell screen, such as email and Word, and
  reserve the PowerBook's screen for iChat, extra Web pages I
  reference, and miscellaneous things like Activity Viewer and
  Terminal.

  One downside is that the PowerBook's screen is dim in comparison
  to the Dell; it would be nice if they both shared the same
  brightness, but the PowerBook, while brighter than previous
  models I've owned, is still a display designed to be portable,
  and therefore not equipped with the same type of lamps found
  in the desktop LCDs.

  If you're looking for a good deal, the 2005FPW is a great choice.
  As of press time, you could get the 2005FPW for around $525
  directly from Dell's Web site. (Be sure to check both the Home
  and the Small Business sections of the site for prices; the Small
  Business price is currently $560, while the Home price is $525
  for the exact same model.) I've seen Dealmac coupon codes that
  reduce the price further, but Dell's special deals are fleeting
  and often limited to a certain number of orders. If another great
  combination comes up, I may pick up another display to use with
  my PowerBook when I'm at home.


On the Road with the Magellan RoadMate 700
------------------------------------------
  by Adam C. Engst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  When I last wrote about GPS navigation, Tonya and I had just
  returned from the mean streets of New York City safely, thanks to
  the Garmin StreetPilot c330 GPS's voice-navigation instructions.
  But perhaps the Garmin c330 wasn't the ultimate GPS navigation
  device. The other big name in GPS is Magellan, so I requested
  a review unit of the RoadMate 700, the model most comparable to
  the StreetPilot c330, thanks to its pre-loaded map set. The test?
  Our trip to Macworld Expo in Boston. Unlike New York City, it's
  easy to get to Boston from Ithaca; you just follow interstates
  to the Massachusetts Turnpike, which runs smack into the city.
  The problem is what happens once you get there, given that Boston
  is notorious for having some of the most, er... creative street
  layouts and markings. Would the RoadMate 700 take us successfully
  to and from our hotel, with some city street navigation through
  Cambridge on the way home?

<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=08121>
<http://www.magellangps.com/en/products/product.asp?PRODID=955>


**The Hardware** -- The RoadMate 700 is a bit larger and heavier
  than the StreetPilot c330 because the RoadMate 700 duplicates
  touch screen functions with a keypad, includes a hard drive
  for storing all the maps, and has a slightly larger display.
  In real-world usage, however, we didn't have trouble with
  the size of either device, though the slimmer profile of the
  RoadMate 700 (the one dimension where it's smaller than the
  StreetPilot c330) made it easier to store in the glove
  compartment when not in use.

  The screen quality was similar, with the RoadMate 700's screen
  being clear and easy to read, except in bright sun. Tonya found
  its touch screen a bit less accurate at tracking her finger
  presses than the StreetPilot c330's screen. However, the RoadMate
  700 provides extra controls in the form of right-mounted buttons.
  There are plus and minus buttons for zooming in and out, an
  eight-way rocker button for scrolling, and Enter and Cancel
  buttons for responding to prompts and navigating menus. Then there
  are three buttons labeled Option (for entering the configuration
  screens), View (for changing between different views), and Locate
  (for showing where you are on the map and giving more information
  about your location). Magellan undoubtedly thought that
  duplicating most of the touch screen functionality with buttons
  would help users, and it may, but we found it somewhat confusing,
  since we had to think at each point whether it made more sense
  to touch the screen or press a button. And since Tonya found
  herself leaning forward to press them, she often wasn't entirely
  sure if she'd pressed the button hard enough, leading to more
  interface frustration.

  The extra weight of the RoadMate 700 probably comes from its
  internal hard drive and associated power supply, and although
  the weight of the device isn't an issue at all, the hard drive
  does make for a slower startup than a RAM-based device. I'd also
  be a little concerned about the hard drive if the device was
  left on the dashboard on a blisteringly hot day, and I can't
  imagine that bitterly cold winter temperatures would be good
  for it either.

  The review unit came with the suction-cup window mount, which
  attached and detached easily from our Honda Civic's windshield.
  We did have to position it fairly carefully, though, with the
  bottom of the arm firmly touching the dashboard, to prevent the
  RoadMate 700 from shaking enough to become hard to read; even
  still, it didn't feel as solid as would have been ideal. Magellan
  offers other mounting accessories; it's possible that one of them
  would work better.

<http://www.magellangps.com/en/store/productListDetail.asp?
segment=Magellan+RoadMate+Accessories>

  Most notable in the RoadMate 700's physical design was the lack
  of a battery, which meant not only that the RoadMate 700 required
  an outlet in the car (which we provided via a lashed-up power
  splitter so we could use our iPod as well), but also that it
  turned off every time we turned the car off. Although the RoadMate
  700 was smart about resuming routing directions after coming back
  up, the boot process was by no means instantaneous, making for
  some annoying delays after stopping for gas. The lack of a
  battery also means you can't use the RoadMate 700 outside of
  the car unless you plug it into the wall, making it clumsy to
  use indoors and impossible to use on foot or on a bike.


**There and Back Again** -- In real world use, the RoadMate was
  a success; it gave us essentially accurate directions that took
  us to our hotel in Boston, to Tonya's sister's apartment in
  Cambridge, and home again, complete with a number of unplanned
  detours forced upon us by creative Boston intersections and
  construction blockages. Each time we deviated from its planned
  route, it calculated a new route for us quickly, although it
  tended to be retentive about the quality of the original route,
  usually saying, "When possible, make a legal U-turn." Perhaps
  it's just me, but U-turns strike me as dangerous, so I would
  have preferred it to say, "When possible, turn around safely"
  so I could look for the next reasonable parking lot driveway
  to pull into and turn around in.

  Though the RoadMate 700 was a success, and we would have had
  far more trouble navigating in Boston without it, it wasn't an
  unqualified success. Twice in Harvard Square in Cambridge, the
  RoadMate 700 tried to send us down one-way streets the wrong way.
  And yes, I know the Boston joke about how "it's only one block"
  down the one-way street; maybe the RoadMate 700's designers spent
  their college years at Harvard or MIT and know which one-way signs
  can be ignored. Once, when we tried to exclude a road from the
  directions in an attempt to get the RoadMate 700 to give us a new
  route, it seemed to get stuck, and we had to cancel the routing
  and try again entirely. Its timing for warning us of approaching
  turns seemed to be a little less accurate, or perhaps a little
  less what we expected, than the StreetPilot c330's directions.
  Particularly in situations where there were a number of streets
  very close together, it was hard to follow its instructions
  properly while driving safely; I took a wrong turn in Harvard
  Square because there were several "right" turns at a confusing
  intersection and I had to make a decision before I'd heard the
  tone that indicated "turn now."

  Those tones, by the way, were helpful and accurate; the tone
  played just as you should be turning. In a clever touch, turning
  left, turning right, and staying straight generated different
  tones, though my ears aren't sufficiently trained to say exactly
  how they were different. As with the StreetPilot c330, I found
  myself wishing that instead of the tones, the RoadMate 700 would
  just speak the name of the next street, since it's hard to glance
  down at the display to read it when performing complex maneuvers.

  We also preferred the 3-D map display of the StreetPilot c330 over
  the overhead map view of the RoadMate 700. Although the RoadMate
  700 also featured a "TrueView" 3-D view, it appeared only for
  turns, either taking over the entire screen or splitting the
  screen in half. A maneuver list view showed just the directions,
  which was handy for sanity checking the route in advance. The
  maneuver list also appeared automatically when the RoadMate 700
  lost the GPS signal for a certain amount of time, which is smart,
  though it didn't save us from making the wrong turn as we came
  out from a tunnel in Boston because we couldn't find any street
  signs that matched the next turn. Luckily, the RoadMate 700 was
  able to guide us back on track once it picked up the satellite
  signal again.

  Speaking of the satellites, reception was another disappointment
  with the RoadMate 700. Once it locked on, it was fine, but
  sometimes it took quite a while to find the satellites in
  situations that should not have been problematic (clear skies,
  no trees or tall buildings, or other obvious obstacles). We drove
  more than 2 miles through Boston on Massachusetts Avenue toward
  Cambridge, including crossing the Charles River on a wide-open
  bridge, before the RoadMate 700 picked up the satellite signal.
  That was a little hair-raising, since although we had a maneuver
  list, we knew making our way through Cambridge was going to be
  tricky. The RoadMate 700 has a little flip-up antenna built in,
  and if that's insufficient, Magellan sells an external antenna.

  On the plus side, we had several opportunities to use the point-
  of-interest database, which we hadn't tried with the StreetPilot
  c330. It was brilliant, since we could ask it to find us a
  restaurant nearby, scroll through the list to eliminate the fast
  food joints at which we won't stop on principle, and then get
  directions to a local cafe or diner just a bit further off the
  freeway than we would previously have ventured, all without
  worrying about how we'd get back on the freeway, since we knew
  the RoadMate would take us back as well. Plus, as we were leaving
  Massachusetts on the way home, I made the mistake of not filling
  up with gas at the last service stop in Massachusetts and thus
  ending up in the barren zone before getting to Albany. The tank
  was getting worryingly low, so I asked the RoadMate 700 to find
  a gas station nearby. It did, taking us up I-90, which had the
  interesting result of changing the rest of the directions home
  to go a route we'd never considered before, but which turned
  out to be equally fast.

  Entering an address into the RoadMate 700 is easy, thanks to
  its QuickSpell technology for limiting the amount of data input
  necessary. Although I couldn't test this, it's reportedly possible
  to beam an address to the RoadMate 700 from a Palm or PocketPC
  device. One advantage over the StreetPilot c330 was that whenever
  we programmed a route into the RoadMate 700, we could choose from
  shortest time, shortest distance, least use of freeways, and most
  use of freeways. Although the choice seemed like a good thing,
  we couldn't see any particular difference between the different
  options most of the time, and there wasn't an easy way to compare
  what they would do. We had the RoadMate 700 only for a few weeks
  of review, though, so it's possible that these options would be
  significantly more obvious and helpful if you were to use it on
  a regular basis in a congested metropolitan area.


**The Big Picture** -- Although the RoadMate 700 worked well at
  its basic task most of the time, it didn't evoke in us the same
  level of appreciation as the StreetPilot c330 did. It had more
  options, including male and female voices and the choice of touch
  screen or physical controls, but those options didn't seem to
  add much other than some complexity. One option that could have
  been useful to other people was support for three users, each
  with their own recently entered addresses and preferences.
  If you were planning on sharing a GPS with others (perhaps to
  justify the cost of an expensive gadget), this capability could
  be quite handy.

  As with the StreetPilot series, infrequent map upgrades for the
  RoadMate 700 aren't free, so you have to factor in paying even
  more money on top of the $750 to $1,000 price you'll find at
  various retailers. All together, that's a bit much for my tastes,
  particularly with my worry about the hard drive in extreme
  environmental conditions, so I'll be continuing my search for
  the ultimate GPS navigation device.

  It's possible that device will in fact be coming from Magellan:
  as I was finishing this review, I learned that the company had
  released the RoadMate 760, which is essentially the same hardware
  as the 700, but with some tremendously attractive new features.
  Most notable is its "SayWhere" text-to-speech technology that
  speaks the name of the next turn - at last! It also features
  multi-destination routing, which I've not needed, but which would
  be key for a consultant or anyone running multiple errands in
  an unfamiliar area. Then there's automatic brightness and volume
  control that adjusts screen brightness and speaker volume with
  time of day and speed; with the 700 we found ourselves adjusting
  volume levels at various times to deal with changing amounts
  of road noise. "Smart Detour" to route around traffic jams,
  construction, and other unpredictable obstacles automatically
  when traffic stops for more than a few minutes. And lastly, its
  point-of-interest database increases from nearly 2 million entries
  for the 700 to nearly 7 million.

<http://www.magellangps.com/en/products/product.asp?PRODID=1091>

  Of course, Garmin hasn't been sitting still, with the StreetPilot
  c340 and StreetPilot 2720 both adding text-to-speech and optional
  notification and routing around congestion in certain metropolitan
  areas, so even the RoadMate 760 will have plenty of competition.
  Watch this space!

<http://www.garmin.com/products/sp340/>
<http://www.garmin.com/products/sp2720/>


Hot Topics in TidBITS Talk/08-Aug-05
------------------------------------
  by TidBITS Staff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  The second URL below each thread description points to the
  discussion on our Web Crossing server, which will be faster.


**Flickering PowerBook screen** -- A reader reports flaky
  flickering on his laptop screen, but is it worth the cost
  to repair the problem, or better to buy a Mac mini and an
  inexpensive LCD display? (2 messages)

<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tlkthrd=2662>
<http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/514/>


**Tiger Mail vs Spotlight** -- The new version of Mail under Mac
  OS X 10.4 Tiger stores each message as a separate file to enable
  Spotlight searching, instead of as a large database. Readers
  discuss the pros and cons of this approach. (19 messages)

<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tlkthrd=2663>
<http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/515/>


**Segway sightings** -- Where are people spotting the two-wheeled
  "personal transporter" devices in the wild? Although Segways
  haven't achieved broad acceptance, more people appear to be
  using them. (6 messages)

<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tlkthrd=2664>
<http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/516/>


**Hell Freezes Over: News at 11** -- News of Apple's multi-button
  Mighty Mouse draws the inevitable comparisons between the Red
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<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tlkthrd=2665>
<http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/517/>


**Files vs. databases** -- A look at flat-file versus relational
  database schemes, and how each is used in Mac OS X for specific
  uses such as Mail and iCal. (4 messages)

<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tlkthrd=2666>
<http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/518/>


**Mighty Mouse** -- Apple's new mouse gets readers wondering
  about future Bluetooth models, as well as pondering the critter's
  internal workings thanks to detailed dissection photos on the Web.
  (13 messages)

<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tlkthrd=2667>
<http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/519/>

**WebObjects as CMS?** A reader is looking for examples of Apple's
  WebObjects technology being used for content management systems.
  (4 messages)

<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tlkthrd=2669>
<http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/521/>



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