Jed,
Thanks for the recent improvements to the bob saver plugin and Bob to
address this.
I do not think I am misunderstanding. I am describing a new user
discovering and interacting with a wiki online, then eventually deciding to
make it there own.
Here is my reasoning, and Vision.
I am trying to build a start to finish workflow or experience for new
users, Never having seen tiddlywiki before. As discussed in The last word
in Saving? . I want this to be as simple as possible and I think your Bob
saver plugin can help.
1. From an online readonly (or server wiki?), as you know, the user
changes in the browser remain in the browser until the end of that session,
with the addition local storage they can return for multiple sessions (for
which I intend to build an opportunity and warning to save and detect if
necessary to restore changes). Such that if local storage is lost they can
return to there updated state. I can detect where the TiddlyWiki is served
from and provide a warning they are depending only on local storage,
including how to use bob/Timimi TiddlyServer etc...
2. The next step is making it their own.
1. This is where I am looking forward to using your new Bob Saver
Plugin. I would *preinstall it *in the online readonly wiki.
2. The online wiki can guide the user to install and launch bob.exe
which is easy to do. The other path available is Timimi (Firefox only).
3. *Then the default save is available to download a wiki*, and with
simple instructions and your Bob saver plugin (or Timimi) they will now
be
able edit and save it.
4. I can then detect if TiddlyWiki is served locally/on File etc..
3. Then of course if using Bob, users now have access to bob server to
make use of all its services as well.
*Design notes:*
- *In step 2.3* I can actually control the save/download mechanism such
as activating the Bob Saver plugin, including any changes in local storage
and the browser in the download (So they do not lose changes), removing
changes from local storage (in the online read only session), even
providing a link to A local Bob server (Default), or to a user provided
folder listing their single file wikis. This would also be one place to
acknowledge bob and point to your patreon page.
- If I understand the use of bob and bob saver plugin, and Timimi, the
user can use the same instructions to manage their own tiddlywiki's from
their own document folders as they would any other "document" except the
application is the browser (not word etc..). Making use of common user
experiences, is a key to making it easier to understand.
- It would be nice if I could detect when the last save occured
successfully through Bob or Timimi or Download.
- Users that can't install locally have the initial method to continue
using the WIki, even save to a cloud location and restore on another
computer/browser.
- The only remaining gap is to address those arriving at the tiddlywiki
site on a mobile device, how do they "make it their own?"
Regards
Tony
On Friday, November 22, 2019 at 7:44:12 PM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
> Tony,
>
> There is some misunderstanding here. This plugin lets you save single file
> tiddlywinks that are currently on your local file system. It has no effect
> on tiddlywikis hosted on remote servers. For those you can edit them and
> just use the download saver to save a copy for yourself. After that this
> plugin would help if you wanted to further edit your own copy.
>
> The plugin already uses localhost and 61192 as the port, using a port that
> will hopefully never be used by something else was necessary to make it
> work at all.
>
> I do not understand the purpose of the localStorage plugin in this
> context, if they are going to have a local copy they can just edit it
> online and download their local copy of the edited version the same as you
> do now.
>
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