HC, To me a table is as fundamental as a list, I would like to see table handling to move into the standard distribution. In TWC the ForEachTiddler plugin was my most used plugin which was effectively the List Widget and Table tool.
Perhaps a macro or variation on the list widget, I wonder if this can be achieved with the template parameter in the list? Then you could introduce a toggle that presents the list OR Table view that you suggest. Regards Tony On Wednesday, December 11, 2019 at 8:23:03 PM UTC+11, HC Haase wrote: > > Lets talk about tables. > > Lately there has been a focus on tables of tiddlers and there fields (not > static wikitext tables) and some great plugins has been developed. Lets > talk about the what, the why and the future of tables in tiddlywiki > > What tables > when we look at tiddler-tabels, i.e. tables that list tiddlers, not > wikitext tables, I find it a bit confusing with the many options. I see > three great plug-ins at the moment. > > - fields2table > > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/TiddlyWiki/fields2table%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/Pizophc7aFk/Ek0Ho2JHAQAJ>by > > Mat: simple and quick to use, in-table edits. I like this because it is > simple an fast to use and the inline editing is realy useful. The way you > specify what fields to use as columns without editing the tiddler in edit > mode is also nice. > - Tiddlytables > > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/tiddlytable%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/VFf0ZJW_Noo/Mv22wtg4BAAJ>by > > Alan Aldrich : very extensive, lots of options and nice GUI, beautiful > tables. However for me this is overkill as I only have 5 tables. > - Dynamic > > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/tiddlytable%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/c4xVcquRsAc/nMOll3cZAgAJ>tables > > as part of Shiraz by Mohammad: this has all the best from tiddlytable > (that > it is derived from), but keeps it more simple. beautiful tables, many > cosmetic customisations, sort by column click (very useful) and it also > has > inline editing. > > > There is a trade of here between easy of use and features. Starting from > fields2tabel it is simple fast and easy to edit, bam here is your table. > Dynamic table a bit more to understand a bit of a barrier to get going but > much more beautiful and realy handy with column sorting. Tiddlytable has, > for my usecase way to much going on and to much learning, but looks realy > powerful so if I had a greater need for tables this might be good. > > Why tables > > For some tiddlers like my index of books to read, I use a handful of > fields in them. For those kind of tiddlers, tables are very handy to sort > by different criteria (year, genre etc.) and it gives a good overview. > > However I am not sure if it breaks with the TW-philosophy of the tiddler > as the smallest unit and tags as the main organiser. Like TW has changed > the way I think/interact with knowledge, I think these tables have done it > too. when using tables I have a mindset of spreadsheets/DB. I tend to seek > to find and overview, to fill missing fields, where the "wiki mindset" > gives me a mindset of seeking connections and mental maps. I am not saying > tables a bad but I think they change the room for doing an situating > knowledge. Or is it just reinventing spreadsheets? that's worth pondering > on. > > Future use and development > > The main organising mechanism in TW is filtered list of different kinds > (list-link, toc, tags). Tables is in essence also just a filtered list that > is showing more data. You can (and I have in the past) use the list macro, > to make a list showing many fields of its entries. As an example I have a > list of users in my company that shows there name, what special software > they have and version no. What these tables plugin do different, is making > it *easier to make "list with fields* showing", *fast to sort* ( and > shift) by different criteria, and *fast to edit field values* in bulk. > This is very useful. > > So this is my proposal. > Imaging that you make a standard TW list, and at the top left corner (or > elsewhere) there is a small toggle button. table view on/of. with this you > get a table view of your list with all fields present for the filtered > tiddlers. You can do some edits and turn list view back on, or you can > leave the table view on if it is more appropriate for what you are doing. > Or you could use it to get an overview, make a quick sort by the relevant > field and turn back to list again. > > I think this could be a good way to hop between wiki mindset and database > mindset (as commented above) and give the flexibility to use the best of > two worlds. > > what do you think. would it be something worth perusing? > > unfortunately I would not be the right person to implement his idea. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/f6f1f557-5832-49cf-8e52-cb574c76ddef%40googlegroups.com.
