Mat, that looks awesome! I think if there were an easy keyboard shortcut for making a new section that would already provide 95% of what I, at least, want out of an outliner.
To be explicit, I think the benefit of an outliner is that it makes applying the tiddler philosophy less effortful: you don't have to think as much in the creation phase about when a chunk should be individually linkable: every node and branch on the outline is automatically linkable, so as you're creating you're automatically putting in breaks every time you hit enter to make a new outline node. With vanilla TW you have to either write in one tiddler and then break it out into chunks later, or regularly manually create new tiddlers, which has a lot of friction attached, or simply make long tiddlers and leave them that way, which dilutes the power of the tiddler philosophy. Having the interface semi-automatically break your work into chunks without much thought on your part makes the tiddler philosophy work a lot better. Having a keyboard shortcut on your SuperTiddlers would go most of the way towards that, because it would be easy to make a new tiddler for every paragraph by default, and perhaps even every node on a bulleted list (since your plugin already includes the ability to have bulleted lists go across sections). On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, Mat wrote: > > There are a few angles to this topic. > > If the aim is to improve the authoring experience you may be interested in > my ongoing EditorMagic project. I think the concept of a balloon popup > <https://ckeditor.com/docs/ckeditor5/latest/examples/builds/balloon-editor.html> > > editor inspired it. I elaborate on the concept here: Trigger Custom Popus > via Custom Strings <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3784>. > While this is not quite the same thing as directly editing the wysiwyg > text, it would make for a *much *more efficient editing experience. > Possibly, it may also be adapted so that it *is* possible to use it in > tiddler view mode: If all elements were "targettable" from view mode, > perhaps if they had a div automatically added to them, then maybe this > would be possible. > > From some fiddling with WordPress years ago I recall -- possibly only in > some themes -- a system with *three *"views": One showing the finished > static look (what we call "view mode"), one showing the underlying code > (perhaps what is the html code) and one "in between layer" that was a kind > of a...hmm... "mixed view", for example a table that in the finished look > would have no visible borders did have borders here for easy selection (e.g > to set visibility), bold text really was bold (like in finished look), > hovering an image showed it's resize-handles etc. A > high-but-still-modifiable UI level. > > I can see several improvements along the way. For example, for defining a > macro we "shouldn't" have to type "\define ... \end". It "should" be one > tiddler per macro. Setting the tiddler "sort" (type?) as macro > automatically adds the $:/tags/Macro (ideally hidden) and the title of the > tiddler is the macro title. There's also automatically a field for the > parameter list. > > In fact, I think we are sometimes too exposed to Tiddler Philosophy. This > stands in the way when composing larger texts. I would like for "compound > tiddlers" where editing a tiddler really enables access to multiple > tiddlers. I made this long ago but, like much else, I don't think I ever > published it: > > http://supertiddlers.tiddlyspot.com/#About%20SuperTiddlers > > That site actually has several features but for our discussion, only the > "SuperTiddlers" concept is relevant. Be sure to read the About tab and try > out the Demos - especially the over-the-top Styles demo - and hover over > the text(s) in it. As I outline in the About tab, the point is that > tiddlers miss context for longer narratives but with a UI change we could > easily solve this. Note that tiddlers do *not *need to use multiple > sections like that and everything is still just tiddlers. > > The relevance to Edgaras OP here is that a "SuperTiddler" let's you edit a > small portion at a time of what is seen. > > <:-) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/8ee94722-8d24-4484-b9b0-bd71433c42ff%40googlegroups.com.
