Bimlas, If you read my reply to Mat, you may see how my view perhaps diverges from yours.
However much of what you say points to areas where some effort will be of value. Only now am I coming to question the value of TiddlyWiki becoming famous. - Aiming at the average user is possibly a path to the mediocre. - Fame should be the result of good works, not fame in its own right Where I disagree, ie "hackability should be a principal", and is an expectation of mine, not because I am a hacker (Which I am) but because hackability is flexibility. Tiddlywiki never would have its functionality today, if this were not the case from the very beginning, it would not be capable of implementing most other solutions if it were not for this "in its bones". But your point still has much value, as tiddlywiki can transform into anything, then it should also be able to transform into a polished focused solution as well. Finally I think maturity will bring forward many of the things you seek, but one limitation is that its main distribution is empty.html which should always be available as the minimum install, buit it should not be the first edition someone new looks at. Either they obtain a custom edition or what I call a Standard edition, a non-minimalist edition with tools for the new comer already there, like the TOC, access to Page Controls More and a few other items. I also believe higher prominence to playgrounds like my own at https://anthonymuscio.github.io/playground.html and https://anthonymuscio.github.io/playground.html which allow experimentation without saving, once someone learns its value, they will push past the complexity of choice of saving. Yours sincerely Tones On Wednesday, 2 September 2020 03:46:24 UTC+10, bimlas wrote: > > I think from your video and this Stroll presentation > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfoGR4AYT5Y&t=964s>, I understood why > TiddlyWiki most of the time isn’t mentioned besides Roam Research, Obisian, > and Notion, even if it surpasses them in several ways: it is not aimed at > the average user, but at those who are willing to take the time to make > their own wiki unique (almost even at the level of a hacker). > > PMario had a good idea > <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/4460> on how to make > TiddlyWiki easier to use for complete beginners, but it wasn't merged > mostly because "Generally, we're missing the opportunity to teach new users > how to accomplish things, and instead we're giving them a small and > inscrutable choice of customizations with a non-standard UI" (reference > <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FJermolene%2FTiddlyWiki5%2Fpull%2F4460%23issuecomment-586996695&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGYETXoJAkXrJZTDl5MdGorFbjtKQ> > ) > > In fact, I think usability should be made simpler instead of teaching > everyone how to make TiddlyWiki omnipotent. If we want to make TiddlyWiki > more "famous", we simply need to make it easier to use (as I said in my > opinion about the pull request > <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/4460#issuecomment-587008785>), > for example, with solutions like Saq is introducing nowdays, or David's > Stroll or any other plugin of this group (I didn't want to personalize, I > just gave examples, I respect everyone's work). > > Hack availability should be just an option, not an expectation. for > example, to add a ToC, you also need to read a tutorial, although logically > it would be enough to just tick an option. > > I think TiddlyWiki has only two drawbacks: one is cumbersome (though with > an infinite number of options) personalization, and the other is > saving. Customization would be greatly facilitated if there were a > "community plugin repository" next to the official one in the control > panel, but this was already mentioned in another thread, I just don't > remember the end result. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/aa3f365b-9a7a-4995-9c6e-48894cb7a7a1o%40googlegroups.com.
