Dear Tony, I have noticed your involvement in several related threads and I appreciate the work you and others are doing on this.
> Quite a few existing solutions can help (many exist so I am not sure where to start for you) I wonder if you could just try to pick one? :-) Lets say I'm going to paste twenty lines of text into a tiddler from a word document. Each line is (as is standard) on it's own line. How can I make them appear on their own lines 1. in the editor 2. in the preview 3. in the final tiddler 4. and when I copy from the tiddler into another document without - having to put double enters at the end of every line - code the whole thing in html - have other markup be broken Is that possible? Right now using the custom class for text tiddlers seems to meet this except for #2 and #4. I really wanted to get back into using TiddlyWiki, but this issue seems almost absurd. I could appreciate this if we were talking about making a website (which I guess in the the end is what TW is, which may be the issue). But even then, in WordPress I am easily able to copy and paste text both in and out of a web page without thinking twice. I found this post and am wondering if it provides a solution. I tried to implement it, but I just don't know enough yet about how TW works to get it working. https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/443#issuecomment-368355140 Alternatively, I wonder if I should be using the wysiwyg editor here: http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/#VisualEditor. I've tried getting that setup but have so far been unsuccessful. Am I to assume correctly that I don't want to be tagging tiddlers as text/x-tiddlywiki? This seems to fix it, but there must be some problem with it since a big warning box is displayed. Any help you can give is most appreciated. On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 9:58:27 AM UTC+5:30 TW Tones wrote: > BhKh, > > This is a common issue for new users, and as annoying as it is there are > good reasons for it. However it has long being a "bug bear" of myself and > many others. > > The good news is; > > - You tend to get used to it > - Quite a few existing solutions can help (many exist so I am not sure > where to start for you) > - Some of us are currently working on a solution which introduces a > much more powerful set of choices that will all but eliminate the issue. > - A lot of copy and pastes work out of the box with tiddlywiki already > so this is not a problem in many cases > - If you wish you can copy as html and paste html into a tiddler and > reasonable well rendered. > - You can also past anything into one "data tiddler" and create > another tiddler that extracts content from the data tiddler, according to > your desired rules and presents it correctly. Eg each line as a paragraph. > - This is a powerful solution because you could past updated > content in the data tiddler and the same "re-parse" rules will be > applied. > - This allows one effort to parse the input that can be reused > again on other data with a click. > - Note: This is a design possibility I have noted as an advanced > solution one-day > > Some even find it difficult to enter two new lines to separate each line > and paragraph and stop this concatenation occurring when rendered. > > - As you seem to have noticed if you use a Heading !! , bullet # and * > or ; and ; you discover that the end of line does wrap and not concatenate. > - What you may not know each of these can be followed with one or more > css classnames to format that same line eg "*.classname1.classname2 Test > here" so you could use a class name of .green and .r to make the line > green > and also indented from the right. > - Obviously the above wikitext markup are designed for lists and do > not have a blank line between each (when displayed) > > Our recent work is to introduce a special character you can pace as the > first character of any other line to turn each line into a html div or p > paragraph. > > - All you need to do then in your imported text to to select all lines > and prefix them with this special character using an editor toolbar button > and they should render as expected. > - In addition it allows the above .classname trick to be applied to > any line > > By turning every line into a paragraph the text will not only *not > concatenate*, but you are guaranteed to have a blank line between each > (paragraph) and if you have surplus line feeds, these will collapse into > one only blank line. > > - This help full when importing text. > > Thus with this new solution on the cards whether you are typing it in > yourself, or reformatting pasted content you can manipulate a whole > line/paragraph with a few characters at the front of a line, as you already > can with bullets etc... and if you wish apply it to multiple lines at once. > > Regards > Tony > > > On Saturday, 5 September 2020 13:13:44 UTC+10, BhKh wrote: >> >> Hello! After about 7 years I am considering getting back into using >> TiddlyWiki again. When Iast I used, it was 2.4.4. >> >> Now I am starting a new TW5 and I am a bit perplexed as to how to deal >> with line breaks. >> >> I'm planning on using my wiki to collect notes clipped from other places, >> write my own notes, and copy my notes out of TW into other things. I >> thought that this was the primary function of TW, so this issue has me >> scratching my head. >> >> In 2.4.3, you could simply put a line break in the editor and you got a >> line break (new line) in the rendered tiddler. >> >> In TW5 this seems to no longer be the case. If I have ten lines of text >> that I copy from one location into a my TW, it all gets put onto a single >> line. Obviously not good. I can understand formatting like bold, italics, >> and headings not surviving a copy paste. But line breaks? >> >> So I have implemented the solution here: >> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Hard%20Linebreaks%20with%20CSS >> As I understand this solution, I'm just tagging all tiddlers that I want >> to show the same breaks in the editor as in the final doc with a certain >> class. >> >> Now when I paste in ten lines of text into a tiddler I get ten lines in >> the rendered version. Great!! However, when I copy those ten lines from my >> tiddly wiki back into another document, they are all on a single line. >> >> As well, the breaks are not shown in the preview window. There it is just >> all one big line. >> >> So my questions are: *Am I doing something wrong? Is there a different >> way I'm supposed to be doing things?* >> >> It seems like if TW is supposed to be for keeping notes on things, this >> is odd behaviour. I thought I should be able to paste things in and cut >> things out and have them at least keep line breaks. However it seems like >> TW is now designed to be more a code editor and less a document editor. I >> realize that the line is necessarily blurry in TW, but in the end the >> purpose of a TW is not to write code. >> >> All the threads on this topic seem to be long and complicated and hard to >> piece together a solution. I realize this may be difficult since different >> people may need different solutions. >> >> I thought I could start all tiddlers with """. However it seems that this >> needs to be done on a paragraph by paragraph basis. If I try to make a >> heading by typing >> ! title >> it gets rendered literally. So that solution seems to fall into the >> "reformat my text every time category." >> >> So keeping in mind that I plan to use my TW for collecting text, writing >> text, and re-using text, *what is my best solution?* I really don't want >> to have to re-format everything I paste into a tiddler. Also keep in mind >> that I am starting fresh, so that may give more options. >> >> I'd even be fin with a solution that involved copy and pasting through >> some sort of intermediary system if it was a simple as pasting it in and >> copying it out. >> >> Thanks! I appreciate everyone's contributions over the years I have been >> away! >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/64624d74-0ff1-499e-a7c7-da3714d1ffa6n%40googlegroups.com.
