Thanks Tone, I will check that out!
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 2:50 AM TW Tones <[email protected]> wrote: > David, > > My time is limited so I though maybe a good place to start is with tiddly > tables to organise the data, once you have the data you can alter the table > or its settings for multiple views. > > Regards > Tony > > On Tuesday, 6 October 2020 00:38:34 UTC+11, David Gifford wrote: >> >> Hi Tones >> >> See my responses below >> >> >> On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 12:01:17 AM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote: >> >>> David, >>> >>> I think I understand what you are suggesting and think what ever can >>> help to capture and re-envision the content is an ideal place for >>> tiddlywiki to operate it. I have read it multiple times. >>> >>> For clarification, in my words. >>> >>> - is a key part of this idea that new tiddlers can be created from >>> the intersection of two or more "attributes of a tiddler", in this case >>> one >>> or more tags/tags fields and or object-type in this case a definition? >>> >>> >>> - Then in the new tiddler you can view information as it relates to >>> this intersection? >>> >>> *Yes.* >> >> >>> If I am correct here, may I suggest; >>> >>> - It may not be necessary to create said tiddler, more just a view >>> that looks like a separate tiddler, until such time as you wish to store >>> something unique for that "intersection" or relationship. >>> >>> >> *I was thinking more along the lines of a printable report generated by a >> control panel, like this:* >> >> *A control panel with 3 sections:* >> 1. Choose topic (from a dropdown similar to the tag dropdown?), click >> button. >> 2. Choose format, click button. >> 3. Choose both a topic and a format. click button. >> >> *Option 1: a new tiddler is created.* >> Title: [Topic], organized by [format] >> Text: List of tiddlers tagged with [Topic], sort [Format] display >> [Format] as heading, list or transclude tiddlers with [Topic] and [that >> format] under heading, display next [Format] as heading, list or transclude >> tiddlers tagged with [Topic] and [Second format] under heading, etc >> >> *Option 2: *same as 1, but with topic and format inverted >> >> *Option 3: * >> Title: [Topic], [Format] (or something like this) >> simple list of tiddlers tagged with that topic and that format. >> >> *Two examples of report for option 1:* >> >> Title: Birds, organized by formats >> Text: >> !!!Links >> <transclude text of tiddler 1> = Link to National Audubon Society >> <transclude text of tiddler 2> = Link to eBird.org >> !!! Reflection questions >> <transclude text of tiddler 3> = Why are birds so weird? >> <transclude text of tiddler 4> = How can we monetize birds? >> >> Title: Breakfast recipes, organized by main ingredient >> Text: >> !!!Eggs >> * [[Ham and cheese omelette]] >> * [[Eggs sunny side up]] >> !!!Carbs >> *[[Tamales]] >> !!!Vegetables >> *[[Huarache de nopal]] >> >> *Notes:* >> a) you can just dump an idea in a tiddler and tag with both kinds of >> tags. No organizing. >> b) Later, you can automatically see your information, sorted. >> c) Bonus points if the user can create their own [1] and [2] filters >> (instead of [Topic] and [Format], could be [Book topic] and [Book format], >> [Century] and [Location] (to orgz historical people and events), photos >> sorted by [Year] and [Location], etc. >> d) Bonus points if th user can grow a list of choices for those filters >> (rather than have to add them at the beginning once, and then is locked in >> and can't add "Tamales" later) >> e) Seems like all this is doable in TiddlyWiki. I know that tiddlers can >> be sorted in this way in a list filter, complicated though it may be, so >> there must be a way to filter/input by one or two criteria (tagged x and >> tagged y) and press a button to generate a pdf-able list for, example, >> sharing. >> >> >> >>> I tend to be a little more abstract in my thinking and try to design for >>> maximum flexibility, so I am inspired by your idea but have not quite >>> digested the full picture yet. Once I do I may be able to make a >>> mechanism or set of mechanism's that let you achieve what you want, but the >>> will offer a broader set of possibilities. >>> >>> In many ways what you are asking seems to be a way of viewing the >>> results of organising tiddlers with two or more attributes? >>> >>> Regards >>> Tones >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, 5 October 2020 07:22:47 UTC+11, David Gifford wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi positiv... no worries, if you don't have internal motivation by >>>> reading the steps I already put, maybe someone else will. I think my >>>> description was clear enough. But here is a second try. >>>> >>>> 1. Content creators >>>> a. Create tiddler >>>> b. tag with topic "Botany" and with format "Definitions" (and perhaps >>>> there are two tag fields in edit mode, one for topics, one for formats. I >>>> mentioned that Gen tags already does this. >>>> c. Add text "Botany is the science of bots - robots, nanobots, etc" and >>>> save tiddler. >>>> d. And so the content creators can 'dump' individual notes quickly that >>>> show up automatically in any revelant topics AND any relevant formats. >>>> >>>> 2. End user (I will upload file to Internet for users to consult) >>>> a. Filters and chooses a topic from a dropdown list, similar to the >>>> List-search macro. A tiddler is created with the entries tagged with that >>>> topic, with entries grouped under headers, the headers being the various >>>> formats. Title, Botany, organized by format. The tiddler mentioned in (1) >>>> shows up, under the "Definitions" header >>>> b. Similar process for choosing a format from a dropdown, and getting a >>>> tiddler "Definitions (organized by topic)" with topical headers, and >>>> tiddlers appear grouped under them as either links or transclusions. The >>>> tiddler above appears under the heading "Botany". >>>> c. User also has the option to choose both topic AND format, to produce >>>> a tiddler "Botany - Definitions." >>>> d. And so the user can read export or print notes, either filtered by >>>> two criteria, or filtered by one and organized by the other. >>>> >>>> I think this could be valuable. I can foresee many usecases besides >>>> those I personally am interested in. I am not actually asking anyone to do >>>> it. But if someone here agrees it is valuable and has the knowhow to do it, >>>> great. If not, no worries. Just sharing an idea to see if there is >>>> interest. Blessings. >>>> >>>> On Sunday, October 4, 2020 at 1:12:00 PM UTC-5 [email protected] >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Everything bad is good for someone else. The problem with creating >>>>> something from someone else's idea is that there isn't any internal >>>>> motivation. Collaboration is much more likely to produce results. >>>>> >>>>> You should publish a wiki with some "user stories" describing the >>>>> steps a user would go through to accomplish something meaningful in their >>>>> life. Then I could flesh out the programmatic steps it would take to get >>>>> those user steps to work within the reality of a web browser running >>>>> Javascript stored in an HTML file, and you can update the wiki with more >>>>> ideas from there. This way you can iteratively see the project coming to >>>>> life, and gradually learn what trade-offs are needed between theory and >>>>> reality. >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, October 4, 2020 at 6:23:25 AM UTC-7 David Gifford wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Why am I cursed with so many ideas, but so little time and knowhow to >>>>>> implement them? I am just going to throw this out there. If anyone thinks >>>>>> it is worthwhile to create this, go for it. Not for me, just if you think >>>>>> it is genuinely helpful. >>>>>> >>>>>> Part 1: a content creator adds tiddlers, and tags them by topic, and >>>>>> tags them by format (advice, reflection questions, links, definitions, >>>>>> etc). The Gen Tags plugin ( >>>>>> https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/GenericTagFields/) might be a >>>>>> good tool for helping the content creator distinguish types of tags. Or >>>>>> maybe there is a better tool for that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Part 2: The end user has a control panel to filter by topic, by >>>>>> format, or both: >>>>>> >>>>>> a) filtering by both and clicking a button produces a tiddler, e.g. >>>>>> "Reflection questions on botany" and the text field shows the text fields >>>>>> of all tiddlers tagged by the tag "Reflection questions" and the tag >>>>>> "Botany". >>>>>> >>>>>> b) Filtering only by topic produces a tiddler that lists the text >>>>>> field of all the tiddlers tagged by that topic, but grouped by format. >>>>>> ("Entries on Botany, organized by format") Filtering only by format does >>>>>> the opposite, all the tiddlers with that format, grouped by topic >>>>>> ("Reflection questions, organized by topic") >>>>>> >>>>>> There are, obviously, more uses for this than just "topic and >>>>>> format". "Topic and source (book)" comes to mind, "Recipes by main >>>>>> ingredient and meal type", "Restaurants by location and category", now I >>>>>> am >>>>>> hungry, Songs by artist and some other criteria, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a tool called Xlists, which crosses categories, and hints at >>>>>> what I am getting at, but I am thinking of something that makes it easier >>>>>> for both creators and users to quickly view results from combining two >>>>>> types of tags. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, that is my idea for the morning. I think it would be a very >>>>>> valuable addition to the TiddlyWiki repertoire. If you do too, and know >>>>>> how >>>>>> to create it, please consider it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Blessings. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/bUTr3xb6-zM/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/bcfc6a59-20d8-4338-991e-eaea5db3092bo%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/bcfc6a59-20d8-4338-991e-eaea5db3092bo%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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