Charlie et al, I value this discussion, and hope to respond in more detail to the OT, because I value the forthright and open conversation, but I also need to disagree sometimes to be truthful. Just as I expect you to disagree with me. The fact is tiddlywiki helps us understand the process of thinking.
Charlie I appreciate you putting forward your view on how hierarchies can impact the way we see things, they can force us to "stay within the box". However as you have raised this a number of times I must say, I must point out that I believe, with all due respect ultimately you are wrong, or at least the way you say it is. My argument As an creative Information Technology professional of many years, the way I use hierarchies is not the rigid inflexible ones you seem to speak of. With tiddlywiki I can apply, impose multiple hierarchies on the very same data. I can handle exceptions, build a supplementary network to accommodate the things that don't fit, so I am never restricted by them. Hierarchies can also "ebb and flow", A really simple example is "addresses", by definition they ultimately need to refer to a specific location - Planet, Hemisphere, country, state, region, town or location, street, number or block, even front or back gate, The ability to detect a hierarchy when it exists is critical, representing it as such, is information about the thing you describe, to deny it is to loose information. But yes there are other substantially different ways to capture and organise information and I like to make use of them all. I have being exploring all the ways we can organise knowledge with tiddlywiki. A contra example with location is "address less" see What3Words <https://what3words.com/guard.cling.radio>, in this case we learn more from the fact that the hierarchy sometimes fails and another organisational method is needed, in the case of what3words you need to know the planet and three specific but arbitrary words from a database of 3 metre x 3 metre locations. There is some good books on the way we think, and one of the strongest argued that the key to human learning, creativity and intelligence is our ability to "abstract", take a set of occurrences and identify both the similarities and differences, then take this abstraction and apply it in a novel circumstance. This relates to systems theory, where one learns the system behind the observations, then applies the same system to other cases. Abstraction is almost totally a hierarchical model (if very flexible). There is good argument that we humans use this to write poetry, stories and uncover the systems behind nature. I do understand what you are saying, and I think it is an important thing to keep in mind, the possible failings of a hierarchy, but then we must also recognise its values. I am a "lay philosopher" and there are dozens of examples where we learn what appears to be a truth, or a good rule, but then we must keep it in mind, but set it aside, lest it restrict our vision going forward. This is I believe a case in point. Another is a need to accept we can be certain of nothing, but simultaneously, somethings are much more certain than others, how can these apparently contradictory things be true? perhaps that just is how the universe is. Regards TonyM On Sunday, 1 November 2020 09:59:55 UTC+11, Charlie Veniot wrote: > > From the Wikipedia article Schema.org > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schema.org> : > > Schema.org is a collaborative community activity with a mission to > "create, maintain, and promote schemas for structured data on the Internet, > on web pages, in email messages, and beyond."[1] Webmasters use this shared > vocabulary to structure metadata on their websites and to help search > engines understand the published content, a technique known as search > engine optimisation. > > > To me, that sniffs of information architecture with a very narrow focus > (i.e. a common vocabulary for labelling/structuring metadata) ? As in this > one aspect about Information Architecture: > > The art and science of organizing and labeling web sites, intranets, > online communities, and software to support findability and usability > > > On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 7:20:46 PM UTC-3, bimlas wrote: > >> It sounds like you are describing Information Architecture >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_architecture>. >> >> >> I may have misunderstood, but is https://schema.org an implementation of >> this? >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/004471b1-6fe3-44ec-8027-829a87f76e0ao%40googlegroups.com.
