I understand you concerns about number generated in the display of content and those stored within the tiddlers/data. There are different applications for both, sometimes we want a transient summary of where a list is at a point in time and other where we want such numbers are fundamental properties. Since this subject has many different rabbit holes I would like to assure you based on my own experience all of these can be accommodated in tiddlywiki, although few currently have out of the box solutions.
I have a solution or two that can save/snapshot the css output to a tiddlers, and one can even extract the results of css numbering but this does complicate the logic. To ask for *The same with or without CSS * may overlook these fundamentally different applications. I have said many times, based on deep experience, avoid creating compound keys in tiddler titles, It is always best to derive a number or get it from a field than name the tiddler by a number and text combination. Any database structure including with referential integrity can be built on top of tiddlywiki to maintain links and references. Regards Tones On Thursday, 3 December 2020 at 21:45:20 UTC+11 [email protected] wrote: > It is worth noting that these CSS only numbers/letters will NOT be copied > if you select the whole text. It might be problematic. Yet, even without > CSS, this is true of the numbers generated by html tags. > > But from the accessibility point of view, the text should be the same with > or without CSS. This is curious that we have these CSS rules and tricks in > the first place, or perhaps is it just an indication that a11y is less > equal than other matters... > > But for my own point of view, what I'd like to get is an automatic > numbering for titles, something that mediawiki does very well, including > generating a local TOC. And here, the numbers should be part of the title, > albeit in a span of their own to ease CSS tweaking. And this numbering > could also give something like 1.3.7.2 or A.3.7.b for an h4 for instance. > These title and numbering would perhaps need to be stored in a dictionary. > Why? Because, some parts may be relegated to external tiddlers and their > numbering be altered during the life of the wiki. But a tiddler needs to > keep its title the same as much as can be to avoid problem with linking. > For instance if fubar is the tiddler numbered 5.4.7 then in fubar, that > numbering could be retrieved from the title name in that dictionary > (title->number). A dictionary that could be used in the reverse order would > be fine, perhaps a necessity to avoid duplication of information (a great > evil!). > > Le mercredi 2 décembre 2020 à 23:53:13 UTC+1, [email protected] a écrit : > >> I've posted an issue on Github: >> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/5186 >> >> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 6:22:57 PM UTC+1 springer wrote: >> >>> +1 on this sentiment. >>> Handling nested ordered lists in the numeric-alpha-roman way Dave >>> suggests is also my preference, and with each wiki project I stumble across >>> the need to reconstruct that css fix (usually at a moment when I really >>> just want to focus on the content). >>> -Springer >>> >>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 9:48:31 AM UTC-5 [email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>>> @Dave I think there is a good case for including in TW a class that >>>> handles nested numbered lists better. >>>> >>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 3:36:26 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote: >>>> >>>>> How sad, all these years I thought this was a limitation of >>>>> TiddlyWiki. I had no idea there was such an easy fix with CSS. This >>>>> really >>>>> needs to be added to the tiddlywiki.com documentation so people are >>>>> aware of this. I will definitely add it to my "documenting TW" file soon. >>>>> ( >>>>> https://giffmex.org/gifts/documenting.tw.html) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the help, Saq! >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 8:18 AM Saq Imtiaz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Also of interest might be counters >>>>>> https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_counters.asp >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 3:17:08 PM UTC+1 Saq Imtiaz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dave: I believe all you need for this is the appropriate CSS for >>>>>>> nested lists. >>>>>>> https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_list-style-type.asp >>>>>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 3:06:59 PM UTC+1 David Gifford wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To be honest, this is not really a request for my own personal >>>>>>>> projects. I tend to prefer unordered lists myself. This is a request >>>>>>>> thinking of new users. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Second and subsequent levels of numbered lists just repeat the >>>>>>>> arabic numerals. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - 1. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - 1. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a feeling this turns people away from using multiple level >>>>>>>> numbered lists in TiddlyWiki. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Would it be possible for someone to create a plugin so that >>>>>>>> numbered lists look like this? (no bullets, obviously - the new Google >>>>>>>> Groups ui seems to have eliminated indenting as a text formatting >>>>>>>> option.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - a. >>>>>>>> - i. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Another nice option would be >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - 1.1 >>>>>>>> - 1.1.1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have no idea if either or both of these are possible. But it >>>>>>>> would definitely be a welcome improvement, even as a plugin rather >>>>>>>> than as >>>>>>>> a core improvement. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps Saq's Editor-Autolists plugin would be the best candidate >>>>>>>> to add this kind of functionality? I wonder if that is something he >>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>> consider pursuing. Or would this be better as its own plugin? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you all for your consideration. 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