Hi Douglas, Many thanks for your feedback. I added a ticket to the discussion board: https://github.com/kookma/TW-Refnotes/discussions/8
Best wishes Mohammad On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:23 PM Douglas Glenn <[email protected]> wrote: > Mohammad, > > Pre-populating the user fields, ect. was a thought of the moment, but I > agree with you on pre populating fields. I suggest as an alternative > instead of spending the time and energy to build an interface in Refnotes. > Just add an enhancement to import .bib files, and provide a short list of > links to editors so you don't have to reinvent the wheel. I also included > on tutorial site as well so rank beginners such as myself can use to > self-educate from an easy to read environment. I wouldn't recommend people > to have to dig into the actual documentation. It's overkill and more likely > to turn people off when they see it. I hope this helps! and thank you for > taking the time to listen to me. > > *Tutorial:* > https://www.latex-tutorial.com/tutorials/bibtex/ > > *Free Online BibTEX editor:* https://truben.no/latex/bibtex/ > > *Free Cross platform editors: * > https://www.jabref.org (Apple OS X, Windows, Linux) > https://miktex.org/ > > *Native Linux* > Linux KDE gui: bibTEX (through the package manager for the distro) > > Linux Gnome gui: > Setzer (https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-latex), > Marker (https://github.com/fabiocolacio/Marker), > > *Aggregate listings *of multiple editors in a single place > 10 Best Latex editors for 2021 : > https://beebom.com/best-latex-editors/ > https://botw.org/top/Computers/Software/Typesetting/TeX/BibTeX/ > > On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 11:23:45 PM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote: > >> Hi Douglas, >> >> I will hopefully work on Refnotes documentation to help newbies find >> their way easily. But just to answer your questions above >> >> 1. Refnotes has three small tools >> 1.1. abbreviations (to insert abbreviations and create glossary table) >> 1.2. footnotes (to insert numbered footnote in the tiddler body and >> create at the bottom of the tiddler full length footnotes) >> 1.3. bibliography (to insert references, and create bibliography table) >> >> To use it: >> >> 1. drag and drop the Refnotes to your wiki >> 2. install Bibtex importer (not required but automate things) >> >> i. Normally people use some libraries to get the bibliography data. >> Almost any library support bibtex format, so you need to export >> bibliography data as .bib files >> ii. import the bibliography data (.bib files to your wiki. Bibtex >> Importer gets the data and generates bibtex entry tiddlers with all >> required fields (automatically) >> iii. you can now cite using simple Refnotes macro >> >> That's all. >> >> Refnotes plugin does not manually create bibtex entries nor encourage to >> do that! Bibliography data can be retrieved from a library like Google >> Scholar, sciencedirect.com, library of congress, ... >> >> But as an enhancement, I can add a macro to get data from the user and >> all the user to create a bibtex entry manually >> >> Hope this helps you and answers some of your questions. >> >> >> >> Best wishes >> Mohammad >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:20 AM Douglas Glenn <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Wow, it shows up now (bibtex importer). I don't know how I missed it. I >>> had tried to install it by downloading each script in the Content tab on >>> your Refnote site and importing it on my end. I managed to create one >>> Bibliography tiddler, but only after observing how you had done it in your >>> examples (AMADEO1995949). Try as I may, the only Bibtex reference that >>> syntax was on [email protected], written by Oren Patashnik 9 Feb 1988 >>> titled BibTEXing. With examples like: >>> >>> @INPROCEEDINGS(no-gnats, >>> crossref = "gg-proceedings", >>> author = "Rocky Gneisser", >>> title = "No Gnats Are Taken for Granite", >>> pages = "133-139") >>> . . . >>> @PROCEEDINGS(gg-proceedings, >>> editor = "Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter", >>> title = "The Gnats and Gnus 1988 Proceedings", >>> booktitle = "The Gnats and Gnus 1988 Proceedings") >>> >>> Since I only obtained a BA, I had not gone further and possibility being >>> exposed to the syntax for a Masters or Doctorate degree. Research I learned >>> and think I do fairly well with, left me ignorant of how it should be >>> expressed. There was a Bibtex editor available to me, but it outputs: >>> >>> [image: Bibtex.jpg] >>> >>> Would I just start each field name with bibtex- (output field here) ? >>> The example I spoke of, a few fields have bibtex-(field name) but others do >>> not. Please excuse my ignorance but the Refnotes Tiddlywiki only increased >>> my confusion. It's aimed at a more experienced Tiddlywiki user familiar >>> with filters, ect, but for a raw novice such as myself who simply wants to >>> install it and run with it, but it isn't explicitly clear that its output >>> is predicated on a field, value pair vs within the editor. >>> >>> I downloaded the reference above from the Refnotes site as a tid and >>> imported it. Happily enough the fields used in the example now show under >>> User Fields for selection. Consider this an enhancement request for >>> pre-populating those fields under Bibtex Field separator/category when the >>> plugin is installed. The addition of these as a selection under Bibtex >>> fields (not User fields) would be invaluable to a novice such as myself. It >>> may or may not be doable because simply deleting the plugin (under removing >>> plugins instructions on the Tiddlywiki.com) would likely leave the field >>> selections still available in the field selection dropdown. Perhaps if you >>> had another entry under the plugin Content label, you could create the >>> addition of a shadow tiddler that would contain these fields and link them >>> to the core fields in order to remove the fields when removing the plugin. >>> >>> As an IT support/admin and BA from the late 80's to present day, One >>> lesson I learned that has served me best. As a naturally lazy individual >>> I'd always sought to find methods that would automate my job, or reduce any >>> support load I had to handle. That lesson was to 'dumb down' the >>> documentation to the end users level. All too many times documentation is >>> non-existing or lacking. I hated writing documentation, but as I discovered >>> it made my job so much easier I succumbed to the habit of creating it to >>> meet the need to keep support calls with the end user or the Help Desk so >>> the calls didn't need to be pushed up to my level to handle. >>> >>> A little more detail in your documentation in addition to pre populating >>> the bibtex fields would greatly increase the use, popularity and value of >>> your plugin. I mean no offense, but I do admit being lazy. >>> >>> Have a great day safely with you and yours. >>> Doug >>> >>> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 11:44:24 PM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Douglas, >>>> Many thanks for your feedback. I have corrected the issues. The >>>> official plugins can be installed from $:/ControlPanel, Plugins tab using >>>> "Get more plugins". These plugins are distributed with Tiddlywiki. >>>> >>>> Refnotes will have an overhaul after TW 5.1.23 is released. Notably >>>> support for different styles (book, journal, dissertation, website, >>>> conference paper,...) better view template for bibtex entry and Node.js >>>> version are among new features. I will then correct the documentation and >>>> tutorial. >>>> >>>> https://github.com/kookma/TW-Refnotes >>>> >>>> Best wishes >>>> Mohammad >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 5:38 AM Douglas Glenn <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mohammad, >>>>> >>>>> Your tutorial says: >>>>> >>>>> It is recommended to use the official *Bibtex Importer* plugin for >>>>> using with bibliography code. >>>>> >>>>> I cannot find it. >>>>> *Note:* The sidebar Bibtex tab can also be used for details of >>>>> bibliography macro. >>>>> I don't have this tab. >>>>> >>>>> Now I just have to learn how to use it >>>>> :-) >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 8:58:31 PM UTC-5 Douglas Glenn wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Greetings Mohammad, >>>>>> >>>>>> Just a FYI if you have the time to correct them anytime soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> From the link in your recent entry of Refnotes in the Tiddlywiki >>>>>> under the Resources tiddler, you updated it 20 Nov 2020, but but the link >>>>>> referenced: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://kookma.github.io/Refnotes/ >>>>>> This resulted in a 404 error. >>>>>> >>>>>> It should point to https://kookma.github.io/TW-Refnotes/ >>>>>> This link works. >>>>>> >>>>>> On that page, the installation link did had the same 404 error >>>>>> >>>>>> I noticed someone had made a change an hour before I logged onto >>>>>> Github yesterday. 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