Thanks for your input, Tones and Pit.W.
Sorry for this (very) long post again.
Here is an outline of how I see things in a tiddler. The aim is to avoid
copying and pasting redundant information from one activity to the other
with a little bit of automation. Any solution or idea to achieve that would
be welcome.
---
Tiddler title: "This is one activity"
Contents: "A description of that activity. Blah blah…"
Tag1 name: thisdramabook
Tag2 name: dramatis
TagN, etc.
=> Each of these tags contain general reference about the source, for
instance in Tag1: "This Drama Book - an extraordinary drama book". That
info is then shown into the activity tiddler via transclusion.
I tagged these tags with 'source' because I use a few other tags to build a
table of contents.
Field1 name: thisdramabook
Field1 contents: 'page 15.'
Field2 name: dramatis
Field2 contents: "exercise 3, posted by John Doe on Wednesday 12th."
FieldN, etc.
=> Each field would contain specific details about where I found the
activity itself in the source referenced by the tag. The field is created
when I add its tag namesake and I can manually add contents to it, that
would differ from an activity to the other.
---
So, if I need to print the activity, the text would be something like:
---
"This is one activity.
A description of that activity. Blah blah…
Source(s):
– This Drama Book - an extraordinary drama book - p. 15.
– Dramatis - an extraordinary drama website - exercise 3, posted by John
Doe on Wednesday 12th."
– …
---
@Tones,
My answer to your question:
'do you want this field added every time any tag is added?'
would be 'yes', because I can't find any other (better) solution to what I
am trying to achieve. I'd rather keep the specific source details away from
the activity description.
@Pit.W.
You're quite right about not needing both a tag and a field to hold the
same contents.
That's not what I want to do, but you'll notice that both are linked: a
source detail field would be created in a tiddler only if there is a
corresponding source tag.
TiddlyWiki makes me feel both amazed at what it can do, keen about what I
could do with it, and frustrated with what I can't achieve! :-s
Stéphane
Le jeudi 28 janvier 2021 à 12:45:15 UTC+1, Pit.W. a écrit :
> Stéphane,
>
>
> I had the same issue and I solved it by creating a special button, which
> adds both a tag and one or more fields.
>
> When using it for some time it occurred to me that - if I need both a tag
> and a field with always the same contents, something is flawed with my data
> model or my processes, since I am creating redundant information stored in
> different places.
>
> And it took only a short time until these redundancies made me very
> unhappy....
>
> Also see Tones last sentence: "what if the field already exists" - also a
> way to become unhappy ;/
>
>
> Pit.W
> Am 28.01.2021 um 12:02 schrieb TW Tones:
>
> Stéphane,
>
> *Can tag adding, trigger field creation?*
>
> To answer this question directly if you provide the method to add a tag,
> like construct your own button, you can always add an additional action to
> create a field.
>
> I am sure we can find a way to hack the existing add tag system to also
> add a field but do you want this field added every time any tag is added?
>
> When you are ready explain what you are trying to achieve with this tag
> and field and when or if, its always needed, what if the field already
> exists etc...
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> On Thursday, 28 January 2021 at 00:50:03 UTC+11 Misterel85 wrote:
>
>> Hi Tones,
>> Thanks for your reply.
>> Sorry if I didn't clearly express 'what I would like', and sorry if
>> providing steps on how I was seeing the mechanism I had in mind didn't
>> help. I'll try to improve what I have already done and rephrase it
>> accordingly.
>> Anyway, the macro you provided is very interesting and could be really
>> useful. It should be added to TiddlyWiki's documentation which doesn't
>> provide any examples about the tag-picker.
>> Also thanks for your 'standard nomenclature' you recently posted about.
>> This is a great piece of work!
>> Cheers,
>> Stéphane
>>
>>
>>
>> Le mardi 26 janvier 2021 à 01:37:43 UTC+1, TW Tones a écrit :
>>
>>> Stéphane L.
>>>
>>> You are aware that in your section *So, here's what I would like:*
>>> you are in many ways forcing the solution rather than truly stating "what
>>> you would like". Perhaps avoid tiddlywiki jargon and ask again, then
>>> responders can suggest solutions beyond the limitations you are implying.
>>>
>>> As far as I can see, In database speak you want multiple values in your
>>> source field, there are many ways to achieve this in tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>> I recently discovered we can use the tag-picker macro against another
>>> field, try this;
>>>
>>> Source tags: <<tag-picker tagField:"source">>
>>> <$list filter="[{!!source}enlist-input[]]">
>>> <<tag>>
>>> </$list>
>>>
>>>
>>> - You can also trigger actions on selection with the tag picker.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tones
>>> On Monday, 25 January 2021 at 00:48:10 UTC+11 Misterel85 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I started gathering all the drama activities I have collected over the
>>>> years from miscellaneous sources into a TW single file.
>>>>
>>>> To quote the source of an activity (= one tiddler per activity /
>>>> exercise), I have used so far:
>>>>
>>>> - a tag, itself tagged as 'Source', and that holds the main source
>>>> reference in its text field (website, book, event title and
>>>> description);
>>>> - a 'source_detail' field in the activity tiddler, that contains
>>>> the reference details of the activity, such as the book page number,
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> Both the source tag's text field and the 'source_detail' field are then
>>>> transcluded into the activity, thanks to a macro adapted from Tobias
>>>> Beer's filter and list examples
>>>> <http://tobibeer.github.io/tw/filters/#all%20current%20tags%20of%20type>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> That works great when the activity has only one source. Some (nearly)
>>>> identical activities, however, can be found on several sources: books, web
>>>> pages, notes from events I took part in, etc. And I would like to quote
>>>> them all in the activity tiddlers.
>>>>
>>>> So, here's what I would like:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. I create an activity tiddler.
>>>> 2. I create the corresponding generic source tag tiddler(s) if they
>>>> don't already exist. Ex. a tiddler tag whose text field holds info
>>>> about a
>>>> (hypothetical) 'dramatis.com' website would be called 'dramatis'
>>>> and tagged 'Source'.
>>>> 3. For every time I add a source tag to the activity tiddler, TW
>>>> checks whether a corresponding source detail field exists in that
>>>> current
>>>> activity tiddler.
>>>> 4. If not, it retrieves the name of the tag and creates a new field
>>>> named after that tag. In the example above, a corresponding field named
>>>> 'dramatis_detail' or simply 'dramatis' would be added in the current
>>>> activity tiddler.
>>>> 5. If I delete a source tag (ex. the 'dramatis' tag), the
>>>> corresponding 'dramatis' field would also be deleted. (That step may
>>>> not be
>>>> necessary if step 3 is implemented.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope my explanations were clear. I can't work it out because I've been
>>>> a TW beginner for months, I can't understand everything in the very
>>>> technical and programer-oriented TW documentation, and so far, my needs
>>>> have always been very basic. Time for me to improve my TW knowledge!
>>>>
>>>> Do you think something like that could be done? If not, would anybody
>>>> happen to think of a similar solution on how to manage multiple sources
>>>> and
>>>> reference details, and the different steps to implement it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Stéphane L.
>>>>
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