Hi Jean-Pierre > Your tw code renders an html code like > > <label>This is my label<select><option value="one">one</option><option (...) > </option></select></label> > > This fails https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Techniques/html/H44 > <https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Techniques/html/H44> because of lack of "id" > tag. > > https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Techniques/html/H65 > <https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Techniques/html/H65> provides an alternative > with the "title" tag but neither edit-text widget nor button widget provide a > way to get a title tag. This solution would be a little out of touch (aka not > very acceptable) if you provide a label element that fails only because of a > lack of "id" tag. > > on the contrary we are clearly within the wrong as shown in > https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Techniques/failures/F68 > <https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Techniques/failures/F68> It’s very frustrating. My reading of the HTML spec is that the select element can be nested inside the label element instead of using the “for” attribute. There’s even an example in the spec:
https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/form-elements.html#the-select-element <https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/form-elements.html#the-select-element> Sometimes, a user has to select one or more items. This example shows such an interface. <label> Select the songs from that you would like on your Act II Mix Tape: <select multiple required name="act2"> <option value="s1">It Sucks to Be Me (Reprise) <option value="s2">There is Life Outside Your Apartment <option value="s3">The More You Ruv Someone <option value="s4">Schadenfreude <option value="s5">I Wish I Could Go Back to College <option value="s6">The Money Song <option value="s7">School for Monsters <option value="s8">The Money Song (Reprise) <option value="s9">There's a Fine, Fine Line (Reprise) <option value="s10">What Do You Do With a B.A. in English? (Reprise) <option value="s11">For Now </select> </label> > If we can't get WCAG conformity witg tiddlywiki, this mean the law will > forbid any application in tw technology to be used as a web app for any major > public (the public, corporate app, etc). This would really be a shame. I agree that WCAG conformity is essential, but in this case it appears to be a piece of bureaucracy divorced from both the HTML spec and browser implementations. > Is there really no way to properly handle id tags? Could we imagine a blue > sky effort to imagine potential solutions? Where and how could interested > parties be technically briefed and reports their own works about it > afterwards? We would need to use the “qualify” technique that we use to generate state tiddler titles. It would be hard to make things work without burdening authors with additional complexity. Best wishes Jeremy > > regards. > > -- > Jean-Pierre > > > > > Le mercredi 21 avril 2021 à 22:27:39 UTC+2, [email protected] > <http://gmail.com/> a écrit : > Hi Jean-Pierre > > Using HTML IDs is awkward in TiddlyWiki because of the way that fragments of > HTML can be displayed more than once. But it is also possible to nest the > select element inside the label element: > > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/select#advanced_select_with_multiple_features > > <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/select#advanced_select_with_multiple_features> > > For example: > > <label> > This is the label > <$select tiddler=<<qualify 'select-demo'>> default='HelloThere'> > <$list filter='[all[shadows+tiddlers]tags[]sort[title]]'> > <option value=<<currentTiddler>>><$view field='title'/></option> > </$list> > </$select> > </label> > > Best wishes > > Jeremy > > -- > Jeremy Ruston > [email protected] <applewebdata://87329254-6EA5-4404-B919-925AE11313A0> > https://jermolene.com <https://jermolene.com/> > >> On 21 Apr 2021, at 11:04, Jean-Pierre Rivière <[email protected] >> <applewebdata://87329254-6EA5-4404-B919-925AE11313A0>> wrote: >> >> As far as WCAG 2.1 is concerned, a "select" elements should better have an >> "id" tag in order that a "label" element could point to it witg its "for" >> tag. Alternatives are a "title" tag or WAI-ARIA roles for the "select" >> element. > >> >> Alas, none of this is possible with the current "select" widget. >> >> The "button" widget can have aria labels but sill cannot get an "id" tag. >> >> Neither can have a "name" tag which can also be helpful in this respect (as >> a poor man's workaround). >> >> I think it would be time to address this a11y issues that prevents to make a >> fully accessible document or site with tiddlywiki. >> >> I propose to help in this endeavour in listing the accessibility problems >> with forms widgets. And propose some fixes (if I'm successfull). >> >> My interest in the quest: I am using tiddliwiki to build a tool for >> recording scores and minutes at accessibility tests for web sites. 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