Hi Jerrold, You say "I am just new to this environment" and that is what I am picking up on here...
One way forward is to first play around with the base which is Tiddlywiki (5) - you can download a single HTML file - play and delete with no commitment, installs - just a 'no consequences' trash around play session. Tiddlywiki is the underlying 'engine' for stroll which is why I suggest 30 mins trying out the "vanilla" (ie Tiddlywiki) first. I use elements of Stroll myself so not advising against it - just suggesting that you may come away with a better overview if you play around with Tiddlywiki first before playing around with the various offerings that are built on top of it. The flexibility of Tiddlywiki means that developers have created platforms ontop of Tiddlywiki that offer goodies not found in Tiddlywiki - but to have a feel for the base might give you a better overview - some people might disagree and advise going straight to Stroll. It might help to understand that everything in Tiddlywiki is a tiddler - people who have built upon tiddlywiki have effectively added more tiddlers - its very organic in nature and lends itself to customisation way beyond most applications. The great thing about Tiddlywiki (standalone version) being in one file and accessible through your browser is that its so easy to evaluate - just download one html file, open it in your browser and play around, just get to the stage where you can create tiddlers, link them, import images perhaps and include them and save the resulting file as your latest version - everything else will spin out from there. I never migrated to the "autosave" plugins or server based versions of Tiddlywiki - I like the simplicity of the stand alone Tiddlywiki way of working ie a single html file and I have always taken personal responsibility for saving - I never liked to rely on auto save features in any application so it is a foreign way of working for me - strange for someone who worked in IT for decades but I have never liked to rely on anything but myself for ensuring backups and ability to go back to a particular date. My wiki has hundreds of hours work invested, I manually backup to several different media periodically including my phone which in turn offers me the option to *read* my Wiki whilst on a bus or train but the operative word is "read" - the only time I "write" is on my laptop ( the authorised version ) - people who like to sync and write from any device will not share my enthusiasm for that way of working and will want the more sophisticated server options. But all the same if you are really new to the whole thing and just want to get your feet wet then why not evaluate the base first - ie standalone Tiddlywiki - single file - "self save" and get your toes wet ? Here the fallback saver method which is the only one I ever use ! https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Saving%2520with%2520the%2520HTML5%2520fallback%2520saver.html Note carefully in the above point 5 for saving - locate the circle symbol with the tick inside - your browser will treat this as a downloaded file - worth checking out options in your browser so that for instance it always asks where you want to place the file rather than the default of a downloads folder - in Firefox I have options to state destination and it remembers my last choice for next time. Developers who create on top of Tiddlywiki usually seem to bundle together components in a plug and play manner so very often if you want a particular feature you can add it just by importing a few tiddlers grouped as a plugin into your base wiki, for instance I did not adopt all of Stroll but I especially liked the Bidirectional linking which means that when I link tiddler A to B then I automatically get a reciprocal link from B to A appearing at the end of B and many great options in that one too! If I had gone straight to offerings built on top of Tiddlywiki I would have understood less about the base - I might not have understood that by carefully selecting plugins and elements from those offerings I could define my own custom setup that suits me best - ie I took Bidirectional linking from Stroll - a favourites plugin from elsewhere, my tags menu is based on help received on this forum which I later expanded and customised as my needs evolved. The lesson I learnt really is that we all say "I want something that works with our brain" but our brains work differently, especially when they are asked to perform different tasks in the sense that you and I will be using Tiddlywiki for completely different purposes ( probably ! ) and our brains develop with the tools we use - we change over time and learn new ways of working as we use the tools designed to help us - I would go for the organic nature of Tiddlywiki ( and it's derivatives ) anytime because I have not seen anything else that offers this level of organic customisation. Recent example: I added a random feature to my Wiki so that at a click of a button I could show myself a random 10 tiddlers - I realised that like most people I tread familiar paths often and this skews my Wiki and may neglect items I curated say six months ago that were simply not linked as well as they could have been and are fallling into obscurity - so I added the random feature and click on that button once in a while when I want to "throw the dice" - very often a tiddler that was falling into obscurity through no good reason gets a new life - gets better linked into the eco-system and turns out to have some good ideas in it - maybe sometime I should look into favouring tiddlers that have fewer links or something - I don't know but I love knowing I have the option. Good luck ! Jon On Sunday, 30 May 2021 at 18:46:27 UTC+1 David Gifford wrote: > Chrome OR Firefox > > On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 12:45:59 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote: > >> Hi Jerrold >> >> If you want to use Stroll, and use Chrome of Firefox, I recommend Timimi >> as a saving option. The main documentation for saving is here >> https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted and Timimi is one of the options >> that gets listed when you select your operating system. >> >> Blessings >> >> On Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 9:11:24 AM UTC-5 Jerrold Nikolaisen wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> I am just new to this environment, but in searching for a note solution >>> that works with my brain, I came upon Stroll. >>> >>> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html >>> >>> Within the download documentation, it talked about saving. Didn't really >>> explain it as much as I need (I usually need a lot of explaining). >>> >>> So I then came upon this article by Anne-Laure Le Cunff >>> <https://nesslabs.com/author/annelaure> >>> >>> Getting started with TiddlyWiki: a beginner’s tutorial >>> https://nesslabs.com/tiddlywiki-beginner-tutorial >>> >>> It mentions using NoteSelf so I read through that. >>> https://noteself.org >>> >>> Now, I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. As of yet I haven't >>> downloaded anything. >>> >>> So, can I have Stroll but with the saving capability of NoteSelf? >>> >>> If yes, how do I do that? >>> >>> If no, can someone point me to an article that actually walks a newbie >>> through the process of setting up saving? >>> >>> I also came across someone who saved to Github. I like this idea as >>> well, but don't have a clue how to set it up. >>> >>> In advance, thanks. >>> Jerrold >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/0da27dd0-a571-469d-9d15-eda3344e2a80n%40googlegroups.com.
