I'm very conscious that TiddlyWiki core development got rather moribund over the years. We've discussed some of the reasons and the symptoms before. As you've seen from the discussion quoted by Måns, Osmosoft has undertaken to shake things up and improve our speed and transparency. Eric is entirely correct that these new changes popping up in the alpha without discussion is not exactly best practice. It's a work in progress as we try to improve how we work together, devising better processes that are more transparent, and everyone's feedback is very valuable as we figure things out.
Best wishes Jeremy On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > @Chris, @Jon, @Paul, @Jeremy, @Colm or @Martin!!! > >> A more serious issue is the manner in which this addition has >> triggered additional core changes in the <<view>> macro. Those core >> changes were entirely *reactive*, and were made without much >> discussion about appropriate syntax, usability, or even the features >> actually desired by the community. If proper discussions had >> occurred, then issues like the "case sensitivity problem" for slice >> references could have been easily identified and addressed, *before* >> the code was checked-in to the core. > > Hmm.. > >> From my point-of-view, there appears to be a double standard at work >> here. Proposed core changes developed *outside* Osmosoft get a lot of >> resistance, languish for months (or *years*), or are repeatedly re- >> scheduled for a later release, effectively forcing them to be >> implemented as plugins, even if the proposed core change is minimal, >> isolated, and well-tested. > > Hmm ... again. > >> In contrast, it seems that changes developed *inside* Osmosoft often >> get "fast-tracked" straight into the next release of the core, >> resulting in follow-up tickets to fix problems (or add even more >> functionality) that could have been identified and addressed >> beforehand. > > I believe this particular thread should be in the dev thread. > I sincerely hope someone mentioned in this post will be able to set > things straight... > > There was a "refreshing" debate in this post: > https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywikidev/browse_thread/thread/ec5159b363a7e0d6/0078c69e91ac7aa2 > I do not hope that it was in vain, because of this (possible) > mischief?! (it's still at an alfa stage isn't it?) > > Chris wrote: > "I think we can agree that increased communication is a good thing. > It > is a main portion of your message, Eric: Activity needs to be > telegraphed more effectively. Couldn't agree more. You are 100% > correct. > It is in the details of how an open source project is to be managed > where there is likey to be disagreement and those are areas in which > I > think _all_ the people on this group can provide excellent input. " > > and > > "While it may appear like Osmosoft is in the business of > "maintaining TiddlyWiki" this is not true. Osmosoft, at the moment, > does > web development for BT, with TiddlyWiki as one of the primary tools. > I personally would like to see more core commits/patches from Eric. > I think this would a) help move things along, b) increase the > diversity in the code base, and c) be a good example for other people > who want to get their changes in the core. " > > and > > "What I _did_ suggest was that we can't let backwards compatibility > prevent us from making changes that are important. Yes, when that > happens, we must make sure to communicate how it will impact existing > situations. " > > and > > "Too many people, inside and out of Osmosoft, think that Osmosoft is > or should be controlling the code. > That's not open source. " > > My simple conclusion: > Communication is everything - > > Please don't leave Eric's statement uncommented - give him a call, or > a pm.. > > > Cheers Måns Mårtensson > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. > > -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:[email protected] http://www.tiddlywiki.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
