I hadn't seen Chris's work on Twine2, it's very cool. I do have mixed feelings about boxes-and-lines diagrams, though. Although they exert a primal appeal as a way of visualising connections in my head, I find that they don't tend to work well in practice, certainly not when the number of entities gets to any size.
I've long been interested in a simpler variation that eschews connection lines and instead just uses position, size and other spatial relationships to convey meaning. I wrote a prototype back in 2008: http://jermolene.com/cecily TW5 defines 'listview' modules that visualise a list of tiddlers. It ships at the moment with "classic" and "zoomin", but they will soon be joined by "cecily". Best wishes Jeremy On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Tobias Beer <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Mans, > > I have recently been poking around the Twee/TWine group out of inerest and > I see an astonishing amount of activity and creativity there. > > Just so we're clear, from a technological pov there seems literally > nothing tiddly* about twinery, except for the fact that there are chunks > called *Passages* that can have something that looks like a * > [[TiddlyLink]]*. > > So, while such a "view on tiddlers" may be desireable, it is quite > difficult to achieve in Tiddlywik classic (while not impossible) but > probably simpler done in TW5 (yet, perhaps that not true either). > > In any case, both the representation in this connected web kinda thing, > let alone the generation of a Twine story is complex stuff. Personally, I > would say it would have been more practical if Twine had actually been > built on TiddlyWiki rather than around its concepts... but that's just not > up for discussion right now, unless someone does a tech talk of the core > concepts on Twine and then a bit of a brain storming on how to get this > unfolding of stories with all the macro-magic working in a classic > TiddlyWiki, yet the minimalistic twine-style, perhaps with a paramifier > option to open the thing in editor mode. > > Right now, all that seems far out there. It may be possible if the > framework on which Twinery builts were a properly encapsulated, flexible js > libary that can be included in a TiddlyWiki and then customized. > > For example, there could be a simple switch in the paramifiers, e.g. > > *http://mystory.com#!.start* > > See that bang-dot? Something like this may indicate to TiddlyWiki that > there is a story to be run rather than a "start" tiddler to be opened in > classic ViewMode. If you had a defined "storyTheme" running in fullscreen > mode, you could get there. > > But I guess your focus is on something like a StoryWebPlugin that allows > Twine style navigation and editing. Not sure, but isn't that even possible > with PasteUpPlugin? Ok, what would be missing are... > * snap to grid > * show connections > > I guess all that needs an actual HTML5 canvas element being drawn to, > something I don't think people have experimented much in TiddlyWiki yet, > except for visualisation, e.g. using Raphael.js... but not with a lot of > "interactivity". By the way, I don't think one really needs to see the > tiddler's as cards. What's important are the titles and the connections. > Perhaps a "click to unfold" or "hover to preview", etc... were better. > > Best wishes, Tobias. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:[email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
