Hi Leo,

On Thursday, February 13, 2014 1:39:09 PM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
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> On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:55:18 AM UTC-7, Ton Gerner wrote:
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>> Hi Leo,
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:13:17 AM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey, Ton! Great work.
>>>
>> Thanks.
>> First of all, I want to say I am an end-user like you; I'am not a 
>> developer/programmer. Keep that in mind.
>> I just want to share my experiments.
>>
>
> Duly noted! We are but two students comparing notes.
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>
>>  
>> I have thought about the colored breadcrumbs (tabs in Tiddlersbar), but 
>> at the moment I don't know how to implement that.
>> In tbGTD Tiddlersbar and tiddlers scroll together. I use purposely a 
>> fixed top menu and 'Tiddlersbar'.
>>
>
> You seem to have a working version close to what I'm talking about on your 
> personal site at http://www.tongerner.tk/. Unfortunately, I can't even 
> look behind the scenes at the tiddlers there to even try figuring out how 
> its working.
>

But that one is a TW Classic!
Menu structure made with Saq Imtiaz's DropDownMenuPlugin, 
TiddlersBarPlugin, a lot of horizontal/vertical tabs and CSS.

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>>> Speaking of explaining to me how to do it, currently, I've tried 
>>> implementing your TopBar and Breadcrumbs into mine, a blank, new 
>>> TiddlyWiki, but it's not working.
>>>
>>> I created all 4 Tiddlers,
>>> $:/_topmenu
>>> $:/_breadcrumbs
>>> $:/_stylesheet/topmenu
>>> $:/_stylesheet/breadcrumbs
>>>
>>  
>>
>>> Copypasted the contents from the instruction page, each tagged as 
>>> required, (there isn't a tag listed for what tags $:/_breadcrumbs should 
>>> have, so i've left its tags blank)
>>>
>>> And almost nothing happens. except both $:/_topmenu $:/_breadcrumbs 
>>> display the same content, which is a list of the open tiddlers. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>>
>>> When I drag/drop the following 4 tiddlers:
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>> $:/_topmenu
>> $:/_breadcrumbs
>> $:/_stylesheet/topmenu
>> $:/_stylesheet/breadcrumbs
>>
>> into an empty TW5, I get working breadcrumbs on top, although you have to 
>> adjust the background color (see comments in $:/_stylesheet/topmenu).
>> There is a minor issue with the CSS of the close (x) at the end (a little 
>> bit too high).
>>
>> Save, reload an add or open a few tiddlers. It ought to work, I cannot 
>> reproduce your problem.
>>
>
> My problem was I was trying to follow the instructions by creating the 
> tiddlers myself. Happily, It worked (mostly) when I drag and dropped the 
> tiddlers instead.
>
In principle there is no difference between creating the tiddlers yourself 
and drag/drop since the code shown is the "real" code.

>
> I'm going to teach myself a bunch of CSS and try to get breadcrumbs bar to 
> show up just above the tiddler, like the TiddlersBar worked. 
>
> I'm also trying to add your other Top bar and left sidebar, and have met 
> with catastrophic results. The only other changes to the tiddlywiki are 
> that I have made are I changed a few values in the Theme Tweaks for 
> Vanilla, and I also installed another theme, but it isn't activated.
>
 
Don't mix the top menu with toolbar from tw5toolbar with the top & left 
menu from tw5topleft! That will NOT work by just drag & drop!
In principle they could be combined, but you need to know what you are 
doing.
If you want to do that start with the top menu from tw5toolbar and add a 
new button for the left menu.
Anyhow the height of the top menu need top be increased.
Check the comments in the stylesheets.

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>
> Currently, after adding (via drag and drop) all the "required tiddlers" on 
> both tw5topleft and tw5toolbar, my page is all screwed up, and the 
> breadcrumbs are gone. It looks like this: 
>
> http://imgur.com/l4rEQzD
>
> I also didn't really understand anything of what you were saying about the 
> slider issue. I tried copy/pasting the code you gave into the LeftMenu 
> Tiddler, but no results. Tried also adding it to the pagemacros tiddler as 
> you suggested, and also, nothing. 
>

> Though, As I think about it, this might just be because I don't have all 
> of the Tiddlers that the left bar is referring to. 
>

Yes, that's the main issue: the left menu is - for Documentation and Menus 
- referring to tiddlers in the guide. The other entries will work since 
they are referring to system tiddlers.
As I already suggested in my answer to Danielo, it will be better to make a 
standard left menu as default (just ordinary links in it) and add the 
slider example to the "Some suggestions for menu entries".
Or I have to modify the slider menu so that it only links to system 
tiddlers that are needed for the functionality.

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> I'm gonna keep messing with things. 
>
> Here is the TiddlyWiki I have right now.: 
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B300Uw4EAaNoZHg4STYwNmdTSzQ/edit?usp=sharing
>

Keep experimenting, the best way to learn.
And although you can add tiddlers by drag & drop only, I tried to show in 
my guides what is needed. Have a look at the code (shown in the guides) and 
especially the comments in all stylesheets.

Success,

Ton

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