@mario Jeremy saw the tin-can repository in one of the hangouts and said that the TIN-CAN integration was possible/easy. The last I heard was that TIN-CAN was open-source. I'll do some more research. Irrespective of 1984 type feeling, TIN-CAN is imperative if we want to make tw5 a serious contender in education. Lets give this integration our best shot.
Regards On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 8:41 AM, PMario <pmari...@gmail.com> wrote: > A little bit off topic. > > On Saturday, November 1, 2014 1:26:06 AM UTC+1, Richard Smith wrote: >> >> Nevertheless, I imagine a system one day in which a student's learning - >> and the activities they undertake as part of their learning is all 'logged' >> in real-time against a server >> > > >> (have you heard of the Tin-Can API?). >> > > No I didn't, but I did a little research. The concept is interesting, but > imo the most interesting part the "question answering machine" = the server > side backend seems to be closed source. At least I didn't find any open > source repositories. > > >> It'll be as if the teacher could watch all the students all the time, >> which I know sounds creepy, but it won't be because the whole relationship >> of teachers to students will change when they no longer have to administer >> testing. A radical idea? >> > > The idea, to watch all students all the time, reads a little bit like > "1984" to me. Exploring new ways to change existing educational systems imo > is good. Collecting data about > learning "progress" is good, if both sides, students and teachers, have > _equal_ access to it. ... But systems like this produce very much data. > Much more as any human (t > Teacher) can process. So we will need machines to evaluate the data. ... > But as soon as we try to let machines "judge" about humans, we are doomed. > > On the other hand. > > The idea about a different relationship between student and teacher is > interesting and imo has potential. If both sides use the tools "as tools" > to check the actual status, to see what can be improved, we are fine. eg: > The teacher sees, that a student should also read "a different type of > book", to broaden his/her view and suggests it. OK. ... > > > But if 'the system' knows about everything that a student does and learns, >> in real time, why would there be any need to sit tests or exams? >> > > IMO centralised storage, protecting and misusing private data is the > problem here. I like the idea of TiddlyWiki very much, that "you own your > data". > > >> Would the students be able to cheat? meh - it would become irrelevant >> because there would be no tests to cheat on and no incentive for anybody to >> 'pretend' they had learned anything they hadn't. Pretty futuristic stuff, >> of course, but maybe the future is not so far away? >> > > I think the problem is, how can we measure, if someone has learned > something. > > Let's say, that our tin-can tool records, that I did read all pages of > George Orwells novel 1984. Can we say, that I understand the implications > of a system described there. ... Or was it just the cat, that changed pages > while sleeping on the keyboard. (BTW: I was at the pub, having fun :) > > ... IMO it can't be done by machines. A student presentation about the > topic, or better, > personal communication between the student and teacher about a specific > topic has to tell us. > > > just my 2 cents. > > have fun! > mario > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/uUxcfjBWdRE/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
