Jeremy, Have you considered moving the TiddlyWiki community to Reddit? I'm not a fan of Google Groups either. Reddit is a vibrant community and an efficient communication platform, one that I think newer / non-techie users would naturally gravitate towards.
I think there's a far argument to be made for moving the mainline TiddlyWiki community to a subreddit (e.g. /r/TiddlyWiki) where active discussion, links to resources, etc. can be posted and moving the dev community entirely to GitHub where the more technical discussions could take place. I would love to see TiddlyWiki get more exposure and I think a Reddit based community could help achieve this. Just a suggestion. - Nathan On Thursday, November 20, 2014 at 1:06:15 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote: > > My first reaction to Mat's list was frustration because I think we've > discussed almost all of those issues at some length in past hangouts. I > guess a lot of those discussions have never been written down in a way that > allows other people to see and join in. > > My second reaction is that I think that list reflects what you'd find with > a lot of open source projects, and particularly ones with our balance of > users vs. developers. So, there are other people who have trodden this path > before, and we should try to learn from them. > > Mat's way of putting things in his opening post was pretty brutal but he > has a long history with TiddlyWiki (since May 2007 according to the group > archive), and has made several tiptop suggestions that I've found very > helpful. So I knew where he was coming from. > > Perhaps the most practical use for this thread may be to discuss > strategies for dealing with the concerns that Mat enumerated. I'd be happy > to discuss things at the hangout on Tuesday too. > > There are also some lessons to be learned: Google Groups is pretty > terrible for us. As owner of the group I still don't have permission to > edit posts; I can only delete them altogether. I'd be in favour of moving > more of our project and dev discussions to GitHub Issues. The great > advantage there is that we can edit the title and text at the top of the > issue to reflect the ongoing discussion. Perhaps we should even consider > closing the TiddlyWikiDev group and moving all future discussions to GitHub > (I presume we can leave the group accessible in a read-only mode). > > I've a couple of other specific proposals arising from this discussion, > which I shall make the subject of separate posts. > > Best wishes > > Jeremy. > > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Danielo RodrÃguez <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Hello Mat, >> >> Maybe you did not pretend to offend, but a post full of problems and zero >> ways to solve them sounds like complaining. I can't avoid getting >> "offended" about some points: >> >> >> >>> >>> - No quality assurance of add-ons >>> >>> Since I programmed several plugins and widgets I would like to know >> which of them you consider to do not have enough "quality". It took me >> several months to figure how TW5 core works and how to program using it. >> It's a big amount of work and I still not knowing everything. >> >>> >>> - Lacking documentation >>> >>> I have to agree with you. I used to complain about this. After several >> complaints more I started to write more documentation. >> >>> >>> - The aggregated knowledge from discussions relies on 3d part system >>> not optimized for us >>> >>> I have to agree with you here. Google groups lacks some important >> features like editing post. This is useful to make FAQs and list of >> resources. >> >>> >>> - Little insight into what attracts new users >>> - Little insight of user needs, tw applications, behaviors etc >>> >>> >> If you have ideas about this please share with us. >> >>> >>> - Challenging to get tiddlyverse overview (resources, applications, >>> options, services, people...) >>> >>> I agree. We still need a repository of resources. >> >>> >>> - Demanding learning curve for customization >>> >>> Everything needs a learning curve for customization advanced use. If >> you wan use TW like notepad is quite easy. Do you know how many things you >> can do with excel for example? Pivot tables, conditional formatting, >> importing data from external sources, macros.... all of them needs a BIG >> learning curve. >> >>> >>> - Too few developers (I'm just assuming this is always an issue) >>> >>> I am one of them. Try to keep us happy :D >> > > > > -- > Jeremy Ruston > mailto:[email protected] <javascript:> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
