Josiah et al,

as I already mentioned, I think TWederation is the only realistic 
complimentary alternative to the google groups. Some of the discussion 
above has implied why it is not realistic to expect some other "established 
solution" to replace this; loss of current history and overall just not 
enough incentive to do so. After all, google groups does have its merits in 
spite of its clear drawbacks (btw, it is absolutely incredible that the 
search features are so poor; it's frickin' *Google* we're talking about!)

So, why would TWederation be the only realistic complimentary alternative? 
First of all we have to look at what the google group does solve or, more 
correctly, what it *should* solve. IMO the main thing is to provide help 
for how to understand and build things in TW. I think a pure discussion 
format is NOT optimal for this. TWederation would probably allow us to 
build a gradually *accumulating expert knowledge base*, more akin to Stack 
Overflow but with all the power of TW filtering. "Top answers" could be 
assembled from tiddlers that really fit into several contexts. Eventually, 
this would be a good enough knowledge base diminishing the need to go to 
the Google groups. Just like the docs on tiddlywiki.com often are enough. 
Instead of "archives", good posts are integrated into any topic where they 
fit.

The issue raised in this thread is of course an old one. So, a few years 
ago I started outlining a concept <http://tiddlynodes.tiddlyspace.com/> for 
this. I was in contact with someone who was interested in helping out with 
key parts, but it didn't happen so I had to abandon it.

For TWederation, I envision something similar. It would allow to slice, 
dice and fetch among the globally available tiddlers to build up TWs that 
turn to *particular* particupants and readers. What is incredibly exciting 
about TWederation is that discussion can then move from "general TW issues" 
into niche issues (and the issues don't even have to be about TW at all!) 
The, say, "chemistry researchers" among us, or "the authors" or "the 
teachers" can in their peer group collectively build up e.g special 
editions or knowledge bases for their own guild. And I think what is build 
can be much more advanced and specific for their needs because they are 
encouraged when they know there is a peer group supporting it and that 
understand the needs for the creations.

Currently we're understandably trapped in *the general* for the discussions 
on the boards and what is publicly endorsed on tiddlywiki.com. The perfect 
"organic chemistry TW" can, understandably, at most be presented on 
tiddlywiki.com as an exotic example of what is possible with TW and it 
would not be desirable in the public arenas to feature 10 fantastic 
"organic chemistry TWs" or "bible studies" or what be it. TWederation will 
allow* content centered TW development*, very different from today.

I think we're heading for a really cool TW future!

<:-)

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