David, Welcome back! On Monday, August 15, 2016 at 3:42:49 AM UTC+2, [email protected] wrote: > > First my questions, which I hope you'll help me with, then, if you care, > the context. > > I want to use TW5 for notetaking, on Windows, but shared (not > simultaneously) between multiple computers via DropBox or a web service. > > A) I can choose from TiddlyIE, Node.js, and TiddlyDesktop. > > 1. How do I choose between them (pros/cons)? > 2. After getting started with a particular TW (adding nodes to it), > can I switch between platforms? > > add 2) Yes. You can change between them, if you need to. .. But sticking with one concept, will avoid confusion.
add 1) Some clarifications: TiddlyIE is a Internet Explorer plugin (beta), that has a similar functionality as TiddlyFox for Firefox. I did test it in 2014 Oct. and it did work with IE. Since IE development is relatively slow, it should still work. ... Be aware, this will _not_ work with the Edge browser! (see german video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrWuvjs3Ly0) node.js tiddlywiki.js - is a multi platform command line tool, that allows us to build "file based" TiddlyWikis out of a lot of single tiddlers. That's how the different TW editions are built. If you open tiddlywiki.com you'll get a single index.html file that contains all of those tiddlers. https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/tree/master/editions/tw5.com/tiddlers TiddlyDesktop is a multi platform application, that allows you to manage different TWs. You can open TWclassic and TW5 files. It opens the TW in an "application like" browser window, that is capable of saving the file back, without the browser "save problems". The latest version allows you to use "single file TWs" and so called "wiki folders". "wiki folders" have the same structure as described under nodejs above. see: http://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyDesktop:TiddlyDesktop%20%5B%5BIntroducing%20TiddlyDesktop%20Video%5D%5D > B) I can choose to share via a DropBox folder (replication), TiddlySpot, > TiddlySpace, or TiddlyWiki in the Sky. > > How do I choose between them (pros/cons)? > > - TiddlySpot works, but you need to create a TWclassic spot and then overwrite it with a TW5 version. The installation process is a bit complicated, but there is some work ongoing to improve the workflow. - TiddlySpace will be shut down at the end of the year. - TiddlyWiki in the Sky - using Dropbox works for TW5. - If you trust Arlen, you can test it. - see: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/RcyfI550qTA/tKYdB-qZEwAJ - The modification he made can be seen here: https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyWiki-in-the-Sky I did test it 10 min ago and it still works. The disadvantage here is, that you need to give a 3rd party web app, write access to your dropbox account. It's possible to create your own TW5 web app, using the changes. .. But that's quite a bit more complicated ;) > C) I can choose to save as a single file wiki, or (with node.js only?) as > a wiki folder > Yes. see: TiddlyDesktop and nodejs above. > > 1. How do I choose between them (pros/cons)? > > If you like the "single file" behaviour, you should stick with it. If you like the single tiddler approach, and you are comfortable with the command line, and/or want to contribute to the core, you should use the nodejs version. > > 1. Can I change my choice later for this wiki? > > Yes, but if you keep both version on your HD, you'll have the problem, to decide, which one is "the real one". (The one with the latest changes :) .. So you should stick with one version, per TW, otherwise you'll have a hard time ;) > > 1. Is my choice here dependent on whether I'm using TiddlyIE, Node.js, > or TiddlyDesktop? > > No. - TiddlyIE is a browser plugin. - nodejs ... command line - TiddlyDesktop .. can work with both. But is a separate program, that needs to be installed. > 1. If saving as files, there are multiple formats. How and when do I > choose between them? > > No. HTML is pure text and therefore platform independent. ... If there are problems here, they should be reported as bugs. > D) Is it best practice to use TW-style wiki markup or something else, > specifically, is the Markdown plugin officially supported? > I personally use TW markup and I don't even need to see it rendered. It just works ;) ... Markdown is an option, ... _but_ you'll lose TW specific functionality. > Context: I used to use TWC heavily. I've got about 10 fairly large wikis > of notes (each one a different topic) and 1 for job searching - they all > share a base wiki which has all my customizations - and that uses the > SharedTiddlersPlugin extensively so when I update the customizations in the > TWC base.html it is automatically available in all my wikis. At some time, > maybe 9 months ago, when I was still reading this group regularly, I wanted > to try TW5. But not only was the documentation poor, but it seemed that > there was no equivalent to SharedTiddlersPlugin or any mechanism for > simulating it (that I didn't have to write myself). So, when it started to > be the case that "trivial" IE10/IE11 updates kept breaking the save > mechanism I moved away from TWC entirely. > As you found out, with your "saving problems", browser vendors did disable some functions, that they considered "unsecure". Which created quite some trouble for us. ... But tiddlywiki will always work with the default "file save" mechanism, which is inconvenient for users, but is considered "safe". > > I thought things might be different with 9mo further development and I'd > now give TW5 a try. I'm willing, at this point, to give up the > SharedTiddlersPlugin functionality just to start with TW5. But on reading > tiddlywiki.com I immediately find I have the questions above and* no > answers*. Having to make these choices *immediately on starting* to use > TW5 with *no guidance on how to make these choices *gives me an > insurmountable hurdle to begin with. > You should be able to start with single files and switch to "wiki folders" later. ... It's basically a "drag and drop" import, with some manual work! -> You'll manually need to move your single file tiddlers to subdirectories, since there is no directory structure. > Frankly, it's easier to just buy a subscription to Evernote or use my > Office 365 OneNote subscription: Even those are much more limiting > solutions than TW5 offers, I can get started with them in no time and get > on to my real work. > That's the same with TW5. .. Use the single file version as you did with TWc. ... TW5 contains a lot of functionality out of the box, that needed plugins in TWclassic. > It's just that TWC was so great for me for so long I'd like to give TW5 a > try. The thing is: As an experienced TWC/wiki user I'd be able to *use* > TW5 easily - markup, structuring, indexing, etc., no problem. And I could > customize it eventually, with help from this group, if I care. But I can't > get started while these questions are pending. > I hope, that I could shed some light on your questions, and I hope you give TW5 another try :) > Thanks! -- David > have fun! mario -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/eba2e457-6d8c-41f5-ac17-3802b629aea5%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
