In LikeInMind practice, transclusion is a very rare case. Transcluded tiddlers may change with time in the context of the hosting topic / main page. Those changes may conflict with the content of the topic / page they are transcluded to. Federation is highly recommended instead.
Both, transcluded and federated tiddlers must have back links to the source pages. To avoid confusion, transcluded tiddlers are framed. Federated tiddlers have no formatting differences with the rest of the page they are pasted to. I hope you find it helpful. Cheers, Dmitry On Saturday, 11 June 2016 11:22:54 UTC+12, Jan wrote: > > Hi Jeremy > The concept of an atomic datastructure sounds logic. > Yet two my mind there is two missing features: > > -When you discover that the content you wish to change was transcluded, it > takes some time to get to the real tiddler; in most cases I have to find > and open with the searchbar. > It would be practical if transclusions were clickable Links in the > edit-Mode. Could this be done with a template or plugin? > > -It would be important to have better Security mechanisms against > destroying links. Especially renaming tiddlers can have dangerous effects. > It would be nice if users were shown a Modal informing about Links Lists > and Transclusions for which the Tiddker has importance.. > > Regards Jan > > In TWClassic when changing the Name of a Tag-Tiddler i was asked wheter I > wished to change the tags to. > > On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Jeremy Ruston <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> It’s clear that users want to be able to write/paste long passages of >> text into a tiddler and then individually address sections (or >> slices/chunks). In practice, I think that means that anything that one can >> presently do to an entire tiddler needs to be possible with a slice: >> transclusion, linking, searching, etc. >> >> That means that the system has to deal with two levels of granularity: >> slices and entire tiddlers. Internally, everywhere that we manipulate >> tiddlers we’d need to support slices too. >> >> In fact, slices would become the fundamental unit; an entire tiddler >> would be a special case of a slice covering the entire tiddler. >> >> That’s where things get interesting: now we’ve redefined a slice to be a >> tiddler (which is just what we call a fundamental discrete unit of content >> in TiddlyWiki). Now, for performance reasons, we’d want to avoid repeatedly >> scanning tiddlers to extract the slices; instead, we’d want to store the >> individual slices separately so that we can efficiently address them as >> needed. >> >> You can probably see where this goes: we’ve just ended up *renaming* >> “tiddlers” to “slices”, and adding facilities to deal with sequences of >> slices as discrete entities called “tiddlers”. >> >> That’s pretty much where we are today: it’s easy to combine several >> tiddlers to make them appear to be a single tiddler: we use transclusion, >> or macros based on transclusion like the TOC macro. >> >> We’ve still got the problem of dealing with long passages of text: that’s >> where the text-slicer plugin comes in, showing one way that these long >> texts can be split into chunks, and the chunks recombined in flexible ways. >> >> So, my position isn’t ideological, nor am I wilfully ignoring feedback >> from users. But I am asserting that from an engineering perspective it’s >> cleaner and more efficient to be dealing with a single fundamental entity, >> and to approach the original problem from the other end: by splitting and >> recombining. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Jeremy >> >> >> On 8 Jun 2016, at 14:27, Jed Carty <[email protected] <javascript:>> >> wrote: >> >> I am a bit stuck at the moment because while I don't want to discourage >> any exploration into different ways of using TiddlyWiki there is a TW5 way >> of doing what you are talking about, which is to use either more tiddlers >> or fields which you then place wherever you want them using transclusions. >> >> Using templates you could have the anchor tag part of the transclusion so >> you could navigate to a spot in an open tiddler. If you want to be able to >> both open a tiddler and navigate to some spot in that tiddler than we would >> need a more complex macro but it may be able to be done using only wikitext >> and simple html. 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