Hi Josiah, I hope you allow me to respond to your assessments from a more critical, call it provocative perspective.
> 1 - VERY difficult to gain leverage > And what would you want or need leverage for? I like the humble nature of how this project unfolds. 2 - Difficult to form sustainable sub-groups pursuing one thread. > There are plenty reasons for (sub)groups not making "it", whatever "it" is. Different or unclear, or mostly individual goals and ambitions and divergent capabilities and perspectives. You see, it may be honorable to have great ambitions, but there's a point when pushing an agenda really isn't what people are after, and when that's more disturbing than actually contributing. 3 - VERY difficult to form consensus on anything. > When and where do you need concensus? Make decisions, do what you can and want and for the rest of it, let go... or find someone who can and wills it. And let it be manageable, actionable steps, not abstract ideas with no practical leverage. > Some folk do make note of threads and go back to them. But there is NO > reliable public way to form a KNOWLEDGE NETWORK other than, basically, your > own powers of reading & memory. > Precisely, so try your best at it, personally. Find your sweet spot, things you like and know best. However, making everyone follow whatever your potentially best way for everything is will hardly ever work, unless that is something that practically works well for most people, processes, environments, technologies that are simple and inviting enough for people to join and keep participating. While it may not be easy to find everything, the google groups are an easy environment to join and dive in whereas Github provides more formal, advanced ways of participation. Google groups are not a knowledge base, we got that. You want one, to cover all of the TiddlyWiki experience? Well, have your try, but try not to expect too much. It's easy to see all the missing pieces to a puzzle you're trying to solve. Well, the game is not about finding the missing pieces and point out just how missing they are, but to solve the puzzle, if you care. To me, it's really more of a narrative, of words spoken here and there, tricks applied, methods learned, things achieved. I don't need a TiddlyWiki for Dummies book to cover every topic I never needed, I'd rather be part of a community that doesn't treat you like one and helps you meet your ends, insofar as everyone's capable. At this point, TiddlyWiki is not the communication platform around TiddlyWiki. There are places people talk about it and find useful application for this little Swiss Army knife of atomic knowledge mgt. See, if you want some Google for TiddlyWiki, to make it easy to find stuff, and also some more social chatter to have people talk and find solutions to problems, answers to questions, like-minded people for projects, and what not... perhaps TiddlyWiki itself isn't the right place to look for it, and neither is this group. If you find a better environment for your own ambitions, that's fine. But don't go around reminding people how much they're missing. If they think it's worth a shot and compelling, the you better make it so. Should you get there, telling others how much better that is and much worse it is whatever they do... never works. Let me repeat: never works. Youtube was successful because people liked to watch videos and it turns out to also create and share those. Please do invent a TiddlyTube people find useful to share and create rich content for. But just don't go to the google groups and say how much better reddit is or go to vimeo to comment on how youtube is so much more... who knows what. My point is that EMERGENT properties are become severely inhibited. And my > overall impression is that if you are not a keen *bricoleur * > <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bricoleur>it can be hard work. > I feel no inhibition and I think that is so because I keep my expectations as well as ambitions adequate. Why waste all much energy on abstract ideas one thing perhaps doesn't cater for while igoring all the brilliant ways you can make good use of it? You see, not sure what everyone's ambitions are, but if you feel like you can't make it, there are two options: either your ambitions are way out of your league or the steps you take to get there are unfit, or too big, have you procrastinate from one minute to the next, so you can't manage. So, chunk 'em up, do the little steps and if it turns out you're not getting anywhere it's time to let go. However, if you're serious about some TiddlyWiki marketing, have your try. Find an ecosystem to work it and people who care to join. Possibly, overloading this group with a bigger project like that wouldn't be a meaningful approach. Some two years ago the *TiddlyWikiDocs* group was created to provide a more focused entry point to topics around documentation. There was some turnout to it, but it's nobody's fault if there's nobody left participating in it. And I think it makes sense that people rather learn the Github workflow to practically contribute, rather than make all kinds of theoretical considerations that never see the day of light, practically speaking. > IMO, if this situation were improved questions like Marketing, Mass Apps > (e.g. e-pubs), Sub-project Threads (e.g. UI issues) etc would likely gain > a clearer place and likely to gain TRACTION. > I never read an e-pub. So, do I want that? Who knows. If people think that's what they want and realize TiddlyWiki as a great tool for that, someone will come along and do it... otherwise, maybe neither "e-pubs" are all too attractive to people or perhaps TiddlyWiki isn't the right tool to create one, after all. If people build "Apps" around TiddlyWiki, fine. Does TiddlyWiki need that (and all the added complexity)? Who knows. If you have some clear project and goals that you are actually able to fulfill, work 'em, other than that, I find it important not to burden the rest of the world with hopes and wishes or even expectations that poorly resonate with reality. Not that those are bad in any way, in themselves, but there's a point when a little or big personal dream of someone else, constantly regurgitated, creates more noise than sound or song ...and when I feel like I'd rather focus, on one, small, specific thing I can do something about, rather than fit all the knowledge of the world into a little box in my skull, somewhere between those ears and behind those eyes. Things are messy, things get lost, things gain and lose relevance, daily... it's the nature of the game. I welcome everyone's ambitions and I know quite well, that not everyone else shares mine, whatever you or I might think they actually, practically are. As it is, the history of THIS thread itself will shortly be lost. > And why wouldn't it be? What is the practical value for it to reside in my or your or even our collective memory? Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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