On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 11:39:10 PM UTC+3:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote: > > Hi Dave > > > This is more just a curiosity question about tiddlywiki development > history. As I slowly learn how to use the filters in filter lists as logic > controls it's dawned on me that this seems pretty unique, but what do I > know, I've never taken a computer programming course in my life (I'm just a > coding groupie, ha ha). > > > > Is this type of logical control unique to TW5, or are there other > esoteric languages (like Haskell (just a random guess) that use similar > methods? > > TW5 is really two separate languages that tackle different dimensions of > the problem: > > * A declarative markup language based on HTML for representing widgets. > Unlike HTML elements, widgets dynamically create and delete their own child > widgets as they “refresh” themselves to track changes to the tiddler store > * A procedural query language that is philosophically influenced by Forth > > I think the filter language is unique, but it flows very naturally from > the idea of a list of titles being the simplest, degenerate filter. Most > query languages are declarative, but TW5 filters have a definite sense of > sequential execution > >
> > If it is unique, how likely is it that this will catch on in other areas > of computing? Will TW5 "take over the world”? > > TW is part of a chorus of new ideas in information management as we move > beyond paper-based metaphors for information. This is quite true! and Tiddlywiki do the job very well in this respect ! > Much of TW isn’t unique at all: it is relatively orthodox in hypertext > terms, having many of the characteristics that Ted Nelson identified when > he coined the term. > > > It’s very hard for me to see which of the unique elements of TW’s design > might stand the test of time. I suspect that most of them are just provoked > by the specific constraints imposed by using the browser as a platform > > One thing I am reasonably confident of is that the discoveries we’ve made > through using TW5 are timeless because they’re more about our perception of > how our brains work than any particular generation of software: that the > only purpose of recording information is to reuse it, and the way to > optimise information for reuse is to cut it up into the smallest semantic > units and use transclusion to weave it back together into a multiplicity of > alternative, different structures. I expect others to formulate these > discoveries better, and for them to gradually become mainstream. > > Best wishes > > Jeremy > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > > To post to this group, send email to tiddl...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/a45a1544-2aa7-4fa5-85d5-8be899da0951%40googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/2bb7b76d-7546-4ff1-9d8d-995a041c6406%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
