Hi TonyM, Imagine you are in a Vector diagram editor, Photoshop etc... you can move > items between layers. > > That we could select a tiddler and "Move to Back" would be like placing it > on the background such that other "Floating" tiddlers, even standard > tiddlers, would be in the midground. >
Gotcha. Okay. Interesting idea. I'm not sure about incorporating standard tiddlers. I sort of feel that same effect is achievable in a story window tiddler, but it gives you other options as well. But moving to the back could be nice. Trying to think of a nice way that could be accessible in the UI without creating clutter. Food for thought. Of course when we click on a tiddler it will be displayed fully, clicking > another it will return to the position. Your pileup does this according to > the active tiddler, but when we are focused on another perhaps they could > move to their set position. > Is that a set position in depth? That's interesting. I took an approach that favors recency. I think adding a set depth to each tiddler is certainly possible. But it might start to get troublesome if you have various configurations that you like to flip through. If it is in Mentat, the depth of windows could be configured by session just as the other position information is. But if we are just dealing with vanilla Volant tiddlers, that might not work without adding a fairly complex system. If you aren't talking about a set position in depth, the maximize system does just that. But it has only been configured to work with window tiddlers. That could be changed however. Are you talking about having the change occur whenever you click on a tiddler? Or just when you use a button like the maximize button? Perhaps we could "minimise" a tiddler to a row at the bottom of the screen > such that clicking will open it "Restore" in the previous positions, and > full screen the tiddler as well. > This is a great idea. The Mentat plugin has an Engine tiddler that holds windows at the bottom of the viewport, but they're just buttons. Interesting to think about making a sort of icon of the window. It might be costly in terms of performance, I don't rightly know, but that would make Mentat feel more like a desktop, which was a big inspiration for the interface. > - Provide a larger virtual wiki space, large than the physical screen > in which we can arrange tiddlers, with mouse or arrow keys scrolling > left/right up/down. > - This would allow those popular and "sexy" presentations that move > the perspective not the content - if you know what I mean > - With a zoom out option to see them all. > > That's what $:/VolantAbsolute tiddlers are for. Eventually. Engine and Mentat are explorations of the fixed $:/Volant tiddlers. But the $:/VolantAbsolute tiddlers will get their time in the sun, too, I think. I need to take a break and work on some other projects, but that's very much on my radar. In part, the easy drag mode was put in place with this in mind. If you zoom out, you're not going to be able to grab the margins. You'll want to be able to simply grab the whole tiddler. I would be keen to see a filter based and "multiple engines" option, for > example when I change projects be able to display the key tiddlers for that > project. > Yes. I think that's a good idea at some point. I erred on the side of having things quickly configurable but simple with the Engine plugin. There were already so many new systems to grapple with. But yeah, I think that could be useful. There has being a proposed feature for "Stacked" story view that is > continuously held back for later release, see bottom of > https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#TiddlyWiki%20Pre-release this may be > able to be implemented in your solution but may require more levels than > background, middleground and foreground. > I think the Volant plugin might be overkill for that. But I should think it would be possible. I am really looking forward to the potential of your solution when using > tiddlers with internal navigation or iframes to other sites and wikis. It > may behave like a Wiki of Wikis > Wiki of Wikis sounds really cool. To my mind, ideally Tiddlywiki would be a one-stop-shop for all a person's notes and information. Having the ability to seamlessly navigate from wiki to wiki would be amazing. Thanks for all the suggestions. It may be a few months before I have the chance to take on any of this stuff. I'm trying to get job ready with the programming at the moment, and I'm a bit behind where I want to be. But I definitely plan on returning to this stuff! Best wishes, Admls On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 at 1:00:06 AM UTC, TonyM wrote: > > Admls, > > I apologize for asking for new features, of an already powerful solution, > the thing is your solution is very inspiring. > > Sorry I should have made it clearer. Imagine you are in a Vector diagram > editor, Photoshop etc... you can move items between layers. > > That we could select a tiddler and "Move to Back" would be like placing it > on the background such that other "Floating" tiddlers, even standard > tiddlers, would be in the midground. Selecting a tiddler and move to front > would pull that tiddler forward so that it would overlap other tiddlers. To > maintain control an intermediate position of middleground (perhaps as > currently is operating). Of course when we click on a tiddler it will be > displayed fully, clicking another it will return to the position. Your > pileup does this according to the active tiddler, but when we are focused > on another perhaps they could move to their set position. > > This would allow dashboards with a higher screen density where clicking on > part of the tiddler will make it visible. This starts to resemble the way > we can arrange applications on our Desktop. > Which makes me wonder; > > - Perhaps we could "minimise" a tiddler to a row at the bottom of the > screen such that clicking will open it "Restore" in the previous > positions, > and full screen the tiddler as well. > - Provide a larger virtual wiki space, large than the physical screen > in which we can arrange tiddlers, with mouse or arrow keys scrolling > left/right up/down. > - This would allow those popular and "sexy" presentations that move > the perspective not the content - if you know what I mean > - With a zoom out option to see them all. > - I would be keen to see a filter based and "multiple engines" option, > for example when I change projects be able to display the key tiddlers for > that project. > > > There has being a proposed feature for "Stacked" story view that is > continuously held back for later release, see bottom of > https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#TiddlyWiki%20Pre-release this may be > able to be implemented in your solution but may require more levels than > background, middleground and foreground. > > I am really looking forward to the potential of your solution when using > tiddlers with internal navigation or iframes to other sites and wikis. It > may behave like a Wiki of Wikis. > > Regards > Tony > > > On Wednesday, 13 March 2019 00:33:19 UTC+11, admls wrote: >> >> Hi Everybody! >> >> Thank you all for your kind words. I worked really hard on this and it is >> a huge relief that it might add something to the community! >> >> With the help of several people on this forum, the plugin packaging >> issues I have had have been sorted. Here's the link to the demo again: >> Mentat >> Demo <https://admls.github.io/Mentat/>. Please backup your wikis! And >> keep in mind that, unfortunately, the Volant plugin overwrites >> $:/core/ui/EditTemplate and $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate. I couldn't find any >> other way to make the popups work correctly. >> >> That said, enjoy! >> >> @TonyM: >> >> Perhaps you could also think of enabling move to back, but I am not sure >>> of the best way to find them again, perhaps using the link in the open >>> sidebar tab. >>> >> >> I'm not sure I understand what you mean about moving back. Could you >> elaborate a bit? Like a back button for the story window tiddlers? >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Admls >> >> >> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 11:29:45 AM UTC, JD wrote: >>> >>> Hi admls, >>> >>> Wow! This is so cool! The tiddlers stay within the browser when resizing >>> the window, and it looks so easy to style! >>> >>> This will change my desktop tw-ing habits. No longer do I need to keep a >>> separate notepad.exe running as a clipboard when I can use a tiddler served >>> through Mentat instead! Aah... am already thinking of the efficiency this >>> will add to my workflow... >>> >>> Thank you so much for sharing! >>> >>> -jd >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 11:23:34 AM UTC+9, admls wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Folks, >>>> >>>> I'm sort of publishing 4 plugins that create a flexible, customizable >>>> ui: >>>> >>>> * Repopup >>>> * Volant >>>> * Engine >>>> * Mentat >>>> >>>> You can go check them out over here https://admls.github.io/Mentat/ >>>> >>>> Why "sort of"? Because I'm having trouble with the packaging from node, >>>> is why. In any case, I wanted to put these out there so that anyone who >>>> wishes to may experiment with them a bit. I'll work on figuring out how to >>>> get them packaged correctly in the coming days. I hope you enjoy them! >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> >>>> admls >>>> >>>> P.s. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to improve them. >>>> This is my first sort of major programming project, so I'd love to learn >>>> how to polish it a bit. >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. 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