Well of course I cannot plan ahead to adapting this idea to TW5.... I must say, now that I have heard of it, that I *immensely* dislike the idea of losing wikitext. You can say that wikitext will still be supported but clearly if plugins are going to be built around html tags and direct jQuery style DOM traversal, then using wikitext is going to suffer an immense loss of popularity, making it de facto impossible to keep using it.
I like the idea of a WYSIWYG editor but look at Wikispaces.com (imo the best online online wiki hoster, even if it lacks a lot of power): they implemented a beautiful wysywig editor without letting go of wikitext. Wikispaces + transclusion + macros == my ideal *simple* wiki site. ((Wikispaces can never be as powerful as TiddlyWiki, but it makes up for it with great themes, reasonable documentation, lots of widgets that you can include via a friendly GUI, and a great admin interface (much like Mac OSX))). Wikispaces is not an application platform like TW, its a simple wiki hosting site. But one thing they did right: they allow for *both* wysiwyg AND wikitext. Nobody is going to be writing in HTML once the wysiwyg editor is there. Writing in HTML sucks ass. It is unnecessarily verbose (for the context of a handwritten document) which is the very reason that wiki's became so popular. Now I understand that a regular wiki doesn't expose its wikitext but feeds everything through a rendering engine, that is, the representation is always html, but for TiddlyWiki this isn't possible since a search engine will simply traverse the entire html file without caring about javascript rendering. So for search engines it makes sense to keep it in html. But for a user it doesn't make sense. However, to decide on the basis of search engine coverage to change your internal //editing style// seems like a baaad thing. (And remember, when a search engine indexes that precious HTML, the link to the html file will open the default view, and you are not going to see the tiddlers that you want unless a search engine magically makes use of anchors and the like.) In short, if we going to lose wikitext, you are probably going to lose me (although I don't see where I'll go, except sticking tenaciously to the old tikiwiki.) For TW5 probably all of the plugins will have to be rewritten (??) so migrating to TW5 is going to be a pain. Not that it matters, just giving it as input. ~Xen On 29 mrt, 23:32, Jeremy Ruston <[email protected]> wrote: > In TiddlyWiki5, tiddlers are typically stored HTML so I think that it > would make sense to handle your scenario by structuring your records > as unobtrusively marked up HTML, and then using jQuery selector-style > or even XSLT syntax to chop each tiddler up into it's constituent > parts. There would some equivalent of TiddlerName##Selector to > retrieve one of these new structured slices. > > Cheers > > Jeremy > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Alex Hough <[email protected]> wrote: > > Xen, TwDevMen > > > Are these ideas that could feed into TW 5? [1] > > > I am wondering that some problems will take considerable time to solve and > > get working and by the time they are solved they will have been removed by > > comprehensive re-designs. > > > I was very excited to read about TW 5 and would like to start messing about > > with it. It seems to be more profitable ( and exciting?) for me to learn the > > new TW5 and the html5, jQuery and jQuery UI stuff rather than continuing to > > get to grips with TW 2.6. > > > Alex > > > [1]http://www.tiddlywiki.com/tiddlywiki5/ > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "TiddlyWikiDev" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywikidev?hl=en. > > -- > Jeremy Ruston > mailto:[email protected]://www.tiddlywiki.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWikiDev" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywikidev?hl=en.
