I finally ended up with both iframes and objects and to display my menus in front of them, I put an iframe shim in a tiddler and transclude that tiddler into my menu. It was a little trick with the search plugin im using but i used the div examples in pagetemplate for displaying tiddlers and it works there also. This transclusion thing is way cool. I'm now ready for tiddlywiki5 but I hope I can get it to run on ie7 somehow.
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