Hi Irene,

In my guide "Top menu + toolbar and other toolbars" [1] I have summarized 
the 'parts customization'.
See tab 'Customization'.

Cheers,

Ton

[1] http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/

On Friday, January 3, 2014 8:16:32 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Irene
>
> Welcome to the group, and good to hear you diving into TiddlyWiki.
>
> In TiddlyWiki5 there's the concept of "tag order" which is the default 
> order used for retrieving/displaying the list of tiddlers with a particular 
> tag. By default, the ordering will be alphabetical, but it can be 
> overridden by defining the 'list' field on the tag tiddler with a space 
> delimited list of tiddler titles (using double square brackets for titles 
> that have spaces). Any tiddlers that aren't listed in the 'list' field
>
> You can see an example on the tiddler $:/tags/EditTemplate (to find it 
> easily, open the AdvancedSearch tiddler from the sidebar tools menu, select 
> the "Shadows" tag and search for EditTemplate). You'll see that the "list" 
> field lists the components of the edit template in the order that they are 
> used:
>
> $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/controls
> $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/title
> $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/tags
> $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body
> $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/type
> $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/fields
>
> (I've replaced the separating spaces with newlines for clarity).
>
> Anyhow, having had a quick look at tiddlywiki.com, none of this is 
> properly documented at the moment. You'll quickly discover that that's an 
> ongoing problem - I keep coding when I should be documenting. Anyhow, I'll 
> make some changes to address the tag documentation for the next release.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Irene Knapp <[email protected]<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> So, I'm messing with some TW5 extension stuff.  I have written a macro 
>> that I call "cond" because it's patterned after Lisp's construct bearing 
>> that name, and what it does is provide some flow-control in a generic way 
>> such that it's not necessary to write custom macros as often.
>>
>> I've also modified the view template to give each tiddler a "subtitle" in 
>> small text after the main title, based on a separate field of course.  (I 
>> used the cond macro to make the subtitle only appear if it is nonempty.)
>>
>> I'm trying now to modify the edit template similarly, and I'm running 
>> into a problem: There's no way to manually control the order of the parts 
>> which are combined to make the template.
>>
>> For everyone's convenience, here is the code of $:/core/ui/EditTemplate. 
>>  Similar code appears in a few places, and I can't help but think that 
>> there must be some nice way to reduce this duplication...
>>
>> \define frame-classes()
>> tw-tiddler-frame tw-tiddler-edit-frame $(missingTiddlerClass)$ 
>> $(shadowTiddlerClass)$ $(systemTiddlerClass)$
>> \end
>> <$set name="storyTiddler" value=<<currentTiddler>>><div 
>> class=<<frame-classes>>><$list 
>> filter="[is[shadow]!has[draft.of]tag[$:/tags/EditTemplate]] 
>> [!is[shadow]!has[draft.of]tag[$:/tags/EditTemplate]] 
>> +[tag[$:/tags/EditTemplate]]" variable="listItem"><$transclude 
>> tiddler=<<listItem>>/></$list></div></$set>
>>
>>
>> As you can see, this is leaving the order unspecified and relying on the 
>> default behavior.  I think the result is to use the creation-timestamp 
>> order, which is a bit bizarre if true, and not at all extensible, since 
>> there's no mechanism through the UI to change that value!  (Nor should 
>> there be.)  It also seems to place tiddlers that exist in shadow form (even 
>> if they're overridden so that the shadow is not the one in effect) prior to 
>> ones that don't.  All a bit weird.
>>
>> So, I'm looking for design suggestions.  Obviously, I could change the 
>> code that gathers the template's parts to use a list instead of tags, since 
>> a list is an ordered collection, but that doesn't really seem right...  It 
>> means that users customizing this template need to go into the template 
>> itself and modify the list, rather than just applying a tag to the new part 
>> they're adding.  Of course, in some sense that can't be avoided since it's 
>> necessary to check what the ordering presently is, for any mechanism that 
>> allows it to be specified...  So, I'm thinking now in terms of changes that 
>> would affect both the code and the UI, perhaps making it more convenient to 
>> manipulate where a tiddler is listed, from the tiddler itself.
>>
>> Since any solution is going to be reasonably deep, though, I'd be trying 
>> to get it rolled in upstream, and it would be great if I could get Jeremy's 
>> thoughts.  Is changing template tiddlers to use lists the right approach? 
>>  What sort of UI might fit well with the existing design while making it 
>> possible to manipulate where a tiddler is listed, from that tiddler itself?
>>
>> I also had a less-involved solution in mind, which would simply add a 
>> "priority" field to each tagged tiddler.  This runs into a few problems: 
>>  What if if a tiddler needs to be ordered with respect to multiple tags? 
>>  And, there's no easy way to view the priorities of the other items in the 
>> notional "ordered tag" that this would produce, and thus no easy way to 
>> determine what any given tiddler's priority should be.  It would at the 
>> very least require UI changes also, to make it usable, and the end result 
>> would be uglier than using a real list.
>>
>> Okay, I'm not sure how to wrap this up, so I'm just going to end there. 
>>  Hopefully people can make sense of what I'm asking. :)
>>
>> -- Irene
>>
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