Paul, I think, Beaker is a huge step towards P2P Web. Thank you for that. Most of my customers are working under Windows OS with files and folders. Customers appreciate knowing how to backup and synchronise data because that is critical for their business. Introducing "wiki" or anything else is already too much for them. Ideally, the whole system must include no elements to learn.
What I can also to talk about is kinds of information business is based on: 1. paper documents 2. electronic documents 3. ideas / concepts / topics, and 4. the way of organising all bits and pieces of information, above, for quick access and reuse What they know is that 1. paper documents are stored in folders on shelves and retained for certain number of years / months 2. electronic documents are stored in computers and must be backuped 3. ideas, etc., are stored personally. Ideas management is a pain and better not to touch it 4. overall, information management is a nightmare. Don't even talk about that. Just give me a solution Bottom line: I can't talk about wikis and wiki stores. I can talk about ideas - stored individually, as single files, - can be found as easy as the other (Windows?) files by their titles and - opened in future by either MS Word, or by a web browser. - All files and folders can be easily synchronised, accessed and restored as soon as needed. So, these are the frames I am trying to work in. Your suggestions would be highly appreciated. Cheers, Dmitry On Tuesday, 27 December 2016 13:44:03 UTC+13, Paul Frazee wrote: > > I can answer some of those Beaker questions > > Another question, are these site files easily accessible on the file >> system? Or is this another "Local store"? :) > > > It's a local store but that's kind of an open question. We could move the > files into an easily-accessible path (eg ~/Dats) though I do lose a little > bit of control then. For instance, it might be nice to implement > transactional writes that fail if another tab writes the file concurrently, > and I won't be able to supply that guard as easily if apps other than > Beaker are writing to the files. > > That said, we do have some tools for this already. If you watch this > screencast <https://beakerbrowser.com/docs/howto/use-bkr.html> you can > see the `bkr` command that lets you do checkouts of dat sites to custom > folders. We might be able to build on that. > > I'm interested to hear what people want/need. > > Also, can you run regular chrome at the same time as this? I guess that >> might be more of a dev question. > > > Yeah it's a different data directory. No collisions > > On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Arlen Beiler <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Jeremy, >> I suppose Beaker has your spell checker that everyone wanted in >> TiddlyDesktop :) >> >> Also, if you do implement a tiddler-based format, would it use the >> standard data folder format? Or if you need a new format to get >> authoritative file names, could it possibly be ported back to NodeJS? >> >> I have often thought about doing something like this with the TiddlyWiki >> Dropbox saver, where it would sync individual files. >> >> Another question, are these site files easily accessible on the file >> system? Or is this another "Local store"? :) >> >> Also, can you run regular chrome at the same time as this? I guess that >> might be more of a dev question. >> >> Sounds quite interesting. >> >> Cheers, >> -Arlen >> >> On Dec 26, 2016 06:17, "PMario" <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: >> >>> On Sunday, December 25, 2016 at 11:33:27 AM UTC+1, Mat wrote >>>> >>>> Very interesting. Only Mac so I can't try anything but just to make >>>> sure I understand the implications for a TW context; >>>> >>>> - is the dat:// scheme not usable in regular browsers? (I find no >>>> public site using it and basically no info on it outside of the Beaker >>>> project). >>>> - ...and therefore, would one need special browsers both to admin a TW? >>>> ... >>>> - ...and also to visit (merely read) a TW? >>>> >>> >>> As Jeremy points out, the dat:// protocol is not usable with other >>> browsers at the moment. ... But if it gets enough traction that other >>> browsers would loose market share, they may implement it. ... (in the >>> future) >>> >>> It's beta software atm. The version number is 0.5.x. 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